Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-30 Thread Hal Murray
I hooked up a 47k resistor from line to the 50 ohm input of my 5334B and it just worked. That's something I wouldn't do. It's too easy to forget to push the 50 ohm button. I might do it if I had a handy 50 ohm terminator built into a BNC pass through. That would be easy to verify with a

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-30 Thread Steve .
Hal, I don't know what I'd do if i had reliable power like that. Here at work (the lab) It's normal to see outliers of anything between 58hz and upper 63. As I had commented before, this power distribution in this area is terrible (South Western Pennsylvania) Steve On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:06

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-30 Thread Peter Gottlieb
On 11/30/2011 3:06 PM, Hal Murray wrote: I hooked up a 47k resistor from line to the 50 ohm input of my 5334B and it just worked. That's something I wouldn't do. It's too easy to forget to push the 50 ohm button. I might do it if I had a handy 50 ohm terminator built into a BNC pass through.

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-30 Thread Hal Murray
[Context is HP 5334B inputs.] The unit is specified to be able to handle 200 volts DC + peak AC on the input in high impedance mode either X1 or X10. Thanks for the heads up. Somehow, I thought they were much more delicate than that. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries Hey, John, got any idea of the DC to DC converter that charged that capacitor? 1 transistor, 1 transformer. The photoflash cap is 80uF 330 VDC. What

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-29 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I remember one tasting a battery on my tongue. No shock, but a really nasty, bitter taste. Not recommended. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc The High Reliability Software 10255

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
Every time I follow a school bus that stops at a railroad crossing and opens its doors to stop, look, and listen - even though there is no sign with crossed bars saying Stop, Look, and Listen and there are many flashing red lights when a train approaches - I think of politicians who would not put

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-28 Thread J. Forster
Recently, I took an old disposable 35mm film camera appart. It had a flash, powered by a 1.5 V carbon-zinc AA battery. Inadvertantly, I got across the terminals of the flash capacitor and got a hell of a shock. Had the current gone through the right (wrong?) place, I could well be dead. -John

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-28 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Those capacitors in there can pack a wallop. I've played with various strobes since I was very young so learned that lesson early. Short it out and see the bang you get! (don't use your good screwdriver to do this). Yes, I'm sure those things can be lethal. Microwave ovens can be even

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-28 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Oh, yeah, about the line interface for measurement... I hooked up a 47k resistor from line to the 50 ohm input of my 5334B and it just worked. I am watching the 60 Hz drift all around as I type this (although not all that far, seems to be holding within 0.01 Hz tonight). On 11/28/2011

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
, 2011 9:43 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries Recently, I took an old disposable 35mm film camera appart. It had a flash, powered by a 1.5 V carbon-zinc AA battery. Inadvertantly, I got across

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-28 Thread J. Forster
- From: J. Forster Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:43 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries Recently, I took an old disposable 35mm film camera appart. It had a flash, powered by a 1.5 V

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-28 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:42 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Recently, I took an old disposable 35mm film camera appart. It had a flash, powered by a 1.5 V carbon-zinc AA battery. Inadvertantly, I got across the terminals of the flash capacitor and got a hell of a shock. Had the current

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-28 Thread J. Forster
Another pathological example is the implanted pacemaker. How much voltage does it use. I bet way less then what's inside a 9V battery. But the location and the firm contact it makes means very little voltage is required. Maybe. I'd guess a 5-40 V pulse. The 48V battery in POTS phone

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-28 Thread J. L. Trantham
: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries Hey, John, got any idea of the DC to DC converter that charged that capacitor? 1 transistor, 1 transformer. The photoflash cap is 80uF 330 VDC. What voltage did it put out? I presume 250-300 VDC. If you really want to know I

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries

2011-11-28 Thread J. L. Trantham
Of J. Forster Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:41 PM To: Chris Albertson Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage frequency Interface morphed to batteries Another pathological example is the implanted pacemaker. How much voltage does it use