Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-10-06 Thread Alex Pummer
symmetry is better to look with spectrum analyzer, at good symmetry you should not see second harmonic 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 10/6/2015 12:28 AM, ed breya wrote: Problem solved - one missing connection was fixed, and it now runs just fine. Symmetry looks good on a scope, and the toggle rate is

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-10-06 Thread ed breya
Problem solved - one missing connection was fixed, and it now runs just fine. Symmetry looks good on a scope, and the toggle rate is plenty enough. It runs OK to beyond 120 MHz input. Ed ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-10-03 Thread ed breya
After studying the various divide by 3 circuits, I decided to try designing one that would be simpler in terms of package count, using available ECL DIPs on-hand. Instead of the JK-FF version followed by duty cycle-fixing circuitry, I opted for two 10131 dual D-FFs to provide the state

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-09-29 Thread ed breya
I found I have some 10135 dual JK FFs on hand, so will try a version based on JK, that needs no extra gates, with a 10116 triple line receiver for I/O. If it turns out that symmetry is needed, I'll add a 10131 D FF, and the 10116 already provides both clock edges. Either way, it should be

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-09-28 Thread ed breya
Thanks guys - good info. Some of these circuits must be the ones I've seen before, and some are new to me, so I'll keep them too (until I lose them again). I'm not sure if I will need symmetry in the output, but it seems better to have it for cleaning up if necessary. The resulting signal

[time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-09-27 Thread ed breya
I need to build an ECL divide by 3 circuit to run at about 50 MHz input. I know there are lots of examples out there, but I vaguely recall years ago I stumbled upon one or more that also provided more of a symmetrical output nearly 50 percent duty factor, by using both input edges, or

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-09-27 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
IIRC one would use a divide by 4 circuit with the final output feeding back to an exclusive-or gate through which the (square wave) source clock passes. The ex-or effectively adds a clock edge to the divide by four, making it divide by three. It also changes the effective clock edge, so the

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-09-27 Thread ed breya
I have rediscovered what I need, so no problem anymore. Ed ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-09-27 Thread Bill Byrom
Division by an odd factor requires clocking off both edges of the incoming clock if you wish to achieve a 50% duty cycle output. So the output duty cycle is affected by the duty cycle and response to the possibly different risetime and falltime of the incoming clock. I would think that for the

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-09-27 Thread Hal Murray
e...@telight.com said: > I need to build an ECL divide by 3 circuit to run at about 50 MHz input. I > know there are lots of examples out there, but I vaguely recall years ago I > stumbled upon one or more that also provided more of a symmetrical output > nearly 50 percent duty factor, by