I see the price has come down to $500 now. Still out of my range though.
Steve
On 13 July 2011 14:20, Mike Feher mfe...@eozinc.com wrote:
A guy is offering a complete set item # 320727122967 on eBay. I already have
one complete set and lots of duplicates, otherwise I would jump at it. I
like
It's a shame these, and other elderly scholarly works, can't just be
released for the greater good, without all this red tape tying them
down. I wonder how much better the world would advance if we could all
go back to the days when we shared knowledge and skills freely between
engineers before
I agree, and have worked toward that end, but those who do the scanning
(and file cleanup) sometimes seem to think they acquire ownership of the
documents in that process. This leads to problems. Been there, done that.
-John
==
It's a shame these, and other elderly scholarly
Shame, isn't it, but they deserve something for the effort they put
in. What is needed is the open-source approach to scanning and
cleaning up these works. Lots of people putting in a little bit of
coordinated effort and releasing the finished product under an open
license so that it cannot be
On 7/14/11 6:08 AM, Steve Rooke wrote:
It's a shame these, and other elderly scholarly works, can't just be
released for the greater good, without all this red tape tying them
down. I wonder how much better the world would advance if we could all
go back to the days when we shared knowledge and
I think you missed my point Jim, sorry if I had not made it clear.
Steve
On 15 July 2011 02:51, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote:
On 7/14/11 6:08 AM, Steve Rooke wrote:
It's a shame these, and other elderly scholarly works, can't just be
released for the greater good, without all this red
Wow - that's a nice set. I wonder if its really NOS (new old stock)
as advertised - the jacket of one book looks more faded than the
others. I picked up a set that is pieced together (some ex-library) a
few years ago for $500. People (family) give me crap about it as a
waste of money and nerdy,
there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the
missing volumes.
There was a complete, scanned set on two CDs around also. The copyright
status is unknown though.
Oh, the books do also cover LORAN (but -A not -C).
-John
Wow - that's a nice set. I
On 7/13/11 6:55 AM, J. Forster wrote:
there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the
missing volumes.
There was a complete, scanned set on two CDs around also. The copyright
status is unknown though.
Have to check for sure, but they might be non-copyright. Were
j...@quik.com
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there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab-Books where you might get lucky on the
missing volumes
Thanks
Yup CDs at a reasonable cost would be interesting. Granted a pain to read
but this is really just out of interest and history.
Though I have seen some really poor jobs of encoding.
By the way I have enjoyed skimming through the LORAN A radlab doc.
I'll have to try a google search and see
That is apparently the case for the HC books.
I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me
that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can
copyright any new content you add.
FWIW,
-John
On 7/13/11 6:55 AM, J. Forster wrote:
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On 7/13/11 6:55 AM, J. Forster wrote:
there is a Yahoo Group, MIT-Rad-Lab
I just ran into one of our attorneys in the hallway. Copyright refers to
the intellectual property, not to the medium. The fact that the
intellectual property of the author is moved from a book to a CD does not
affect copyright, so long as the content is not otherwise altered. Think
about it;
On 7/13/11 8:02 AM, J. Forster wrote:
That is apparently the case for the HC books.
I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me
that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can
copyright any new content you add.
And you could copyright the
On 7/13/11 8:05 AM, jmfranke wrote:
The original series was copyrighted 1947 by McGraw-Hill Book Company.
The agreement with the government was the copyright would later be
lifted. I know in 1964 the grey colored small size book series were
printed by Boston Technical Publishers, Inc. with no
In message 4e1db79a.9030...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes:
On 7/13/11 8:02 AM, J. Forster wrote:
Walnut Creek CD-ROM is, I believe, a poster child in the case law,
although I can't remember if they were the plaintiff or defendant, or
just how it all worked..
As far as I recall, they were
In message 1530.12.6.201.127.1310569355.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. For
ster writes:
I'm not so sure about the CDs. A friend who is an IP attorney has told me
that if you scan something, you cannot copyright the scan. You can
copyright any new content you add.
You can copyright a collection
On 13 July 2011 14:20, Mike Feher mfe...@eozinc.com wrote:
A guy is offering a complete set item # 320727122967 on eBay. I already have
one complete set and lots of duplicates, otherwise I would jump at it. I
like the hard copy a lot better than trying to read them on-line. Regards -
Drat!
I left out something. The question about scanning concerned originally
uncopyrighted material, like military instruction manuals.
My guy concluded, if the original was not copyright, a CD version of it
could not be copyright, except for any added new material.
-John
I just
On 7/13/2011 8:28 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
PS: http://www.bunkerofdoom.com/lit/mitser/
Thank you for that link Poul-Henning, I had not turned that up in my
searches. It's nice to have it available, even if some of the pictures
have gone all black and can't be read. But the price is
The copyright lapsing after 10 years statement is in the front of most of
the red version of the books.
-John
On 7/13/11 8:05 AM, jmfranke wrote:
The original series was copyrighted 1947 by McGraw-Hill Book Company.
The agreement with the government was the copyright would
Dan,
I set up the MIT-Rad-Lab-Books Group on Yahoo to address precisely that
issue... the poor quality of the image scans.
Our hope was (and still is) to rescan the images in the original books and
replace the poor scans with better quality, more useful, ones.
Best,
-John
Bill,
You are reading John's statement incorrectly. He is saying that all of these
guys that are scanning copyrighted (or public domain) material are not eligible
for a copyright just for doing the scanning That would be like the saying
the
company that makes the printer (let's say Xerox)
There is an oops, Chuck, otherwise yes.
-John
===
Bill,
You are reading John's statement incorrectly. He is saying that all of
these guys that are scanning
un-
copyrighted (or public domain) material are not
eligible
for a copyright just for doing the
Thanks, Chuck, and sorry, John. I did, indeed, misunderstand and you are
entirely correct.
Bill
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote:
Bill,
You are reading John's statement incorrectly. He is saying that all of
these
guys that are scanning copyrighted
In message 4e1dee43.3070...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes:
I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted book
full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font, and
formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc...
Yeah, well, maybe...
The crux of
Of course. As yet we haven't (I think?) awarded any copyrights, or other
rights, to machines for their artistic abilities.
-Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message4e1dee43.3070...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes:
I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's
Any OCR I've seen would take a lot of human intervention, even with a
clean original.
-John
=
In message 4e1dee43.3070...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes:
I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's copyrighted
book
full of public domain IP could be copied if
Mandelbrot (? Sp) Sets?
-John
==
Of course. As yet we haven't (I think?) awarded any copyrights, or other
rights, to machines for their artistic abilities.
-Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message4e1dee43.3070...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes:
I can conceive of
In message 2272.12.6.201.69.1310585470.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. Fors
ter writes:
Any OCR I've seen would take a lot of human intervention, even with a
clean original.
That's probably not true.
The point being that you will not notice the results of really good
OCR, you only notice
Chuck,
If the work is still under a copyright, and you copy it by hand, or type
it, word for word, changing the font, layout, etc., they still consider it
plagerism, and it's still a copyright infringement. About all you can get
by with is quoting something you read, and then you are supposed to
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The copyright lapsing after 10 years statement is in the front of most of
the red version
On 7/13/11 12:13 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
I can conceive of a case where a publisher like McGraw-Hill's
copyrighted book
full of public domain IP could be copied if you used your own type font,
and
formatting of pages, pictures and text, etc...
This is precisely the case with West Publishing
A guy is offering a complete set item # 320727122967 on eBay. I already have
one complete set and lots of duplicates, otherwise I would jump at it. I
like the hard copy a lot better than trying to read them on-line. Regards -
Mike
Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc.
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
Boy I like hard copy also but afraid an asking price of $900 for the set
isn't in this years budget.
But some lucky person will snap them up.
Nice to see what a set would have looked like.
I have stumbled across a few of them and picked them up for $5 or so.
Sometimes I just let them go.They were
Y'know, as an MIT grad I once coveted that series.
But now that I am 93, I don't give a damn, you see.
(Harry Belafonte, on sex education) (actually, I'm 73)
So there's $900 that won't be leaving my wallet and aiding
the economy by circulating.
What does this have to do with time, you ask?
Bill Hawkins wrote:
What does this have to do with time, you ask? Why, only that
the passage of time alters men's passions.
Yeah, I've had dates like that.
H
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