Re: [time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/19/13 11:47 AM, Peter Monta wrote: Hi Hal, Why are X-Ray pulsars better than radio pulsars for navigation? My impression is that it's easier to manage all-sky coverage at x-ray with a small spacecraft package (I think millisecond pulsars generally emit at both microwave and x-ray).

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-19 Thread Peter Monta
Hi Hal, > Why are X-Ray pulsars better than radio pulsars for navigation? > My impression is that it's easier to manage all-sky coverage at x-ray with a small spacecraft package (I think millisecond pulsars generally emit at both microwave and x-ray). Also there's some interstellar scintillat

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-19 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:38:50 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > What's the adev of pulsars at long times? How long is long? Where is the > knee of the curve? I remember reading something about 10^-18 long term (iirc 1year), but cannot find where i read it. But to acheive that level you have to compen

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/18/13 12:15 PM, Peter Monta wrote: I wonder if there's any advantage in combining far-away GPS with X-ray pulsar navigation (XNAV), which is said to be good to a few kilometers, though long integration times are needed. For example, the rough system time from XNAV could enable very long (a

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/18/13 11:02 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 04/18/2013 04:01 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/18/13 4:01 AM, David J Taylor wrote: An interesting novel use of GPS "stray" signals "ESA’s retired GIOVE-A navigation mission has become the first civilian satellite to perform GPS position fixes from

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-18 Thread Hal Murray
pmo...@gmail.com said: > I wonder if there's any advantage in combining far-away GPS with X-ray > pulsar navigation (XNAV), which is said to be good to a few kilometers, > though long integration times are needed. For example, the rough system > time from XNAV could enable very long (arbitrarily

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Peter, On 04/18/2013 09:15 PM, Peter Monta wrote: Hi Magnus, Would not an antenna with a deep zero focus on the earth center help to reduce earth-noise (ground temperature noise as well as man-made noise)? It might, although you'd need a large antenna to generate the angular resolution neede

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-18 Thread Peter Monta
Hi Magnus, > Would not an antenna with a deep zero focus on the earth center help to reduce earth-noise (ground temperature noise as well as man-made noise)? It might, although you'd need a large antenna to generate the angular resolution needed to reject Earth noise while listening to a GPS bird

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/18/2013 04:01 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/18/13 4:01 AM, David J Taylor wrote: An interesting novel use of GPS "stray" signals "ESA’s retired GIOVE-A navigation mission has become the first civilian satellite to perform GPS position fixes from high orbit. Its results demonstrate that curr

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/18/13 4:01 AM, David J Taylor wrote: An interesting novel use of GPS "stray" signals "ESA’s retired GIOVE-A navigation mission has become the first civilian satellite to perform GPS position fixes from high orbit. Its results demonstrate that current satnav signals could guide missions

[time-nuts] OT: Far-out space navigation from sideways satnav signals

2013-04-18 Thread David J Taylor
An interesting novel use of GPS "stray" signals "ESA’s retired GIOVE-A navigation mission has become the first civilian satellite to perform GPS position fixes from high orbit. Its results demonstrate that current satnav signals could guide missions much further away in space, up to geost