Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <05ea571f-18cd-4046-b520-63f29a892...@n1k.org>, Bob Camp writes: >> See also http://leapsecond.com/pages/fe405/ and the links near the bottom. >> This (patented) FEI design avoids the spur issues several of you have been >> talking about: the RF output comes from a low-noise

Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-10 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: While I was working at TRW Microwave we were purchased by FEI. It's my understanding the their key capability was in the crystal material in that it produced the cleanest oscillators on the market. -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/201

Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Vremya also have such boxes. The current one, VCH-317, goes under the name "Real-Time Atomic Clock Combiner" which may not give you the initial association of it being a micro-stepper. I have read the manual for an older box, or at least an older description, which included a nice descrip

Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi > On Dec 9, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > >> Are you aware of some redeeming value that phase microsteppers >> have that would make us want to investigate them? Am I >> being too harsh on them? Maybe you can champion them and they >> will make a come back :-) >> >> Rick Karlqu

Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-09 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Moin, > > I just tried to figure out how phase microsteppers are usually build, > but, beside the time-nuts discussion from 10 years ago and US patents > US4358741 and US4417352 my search turned out empty. I am pretty sure > that I used the wrong search terms and there should be lots of document

Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Attila: Once you find a patent you can then search on the class number for very similar patents. See the links under "Handy External Links:" http://www.prc68.com/I/Learning.shtml Quick allows searching for a class number or other fields (but not the text of the patent). PS Sunnyvale has a p

Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-09 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Are you aware of some redeeming value that phase microsteppers > have that would make us want to investigate them? Am I > being too harsh on them? Maybe you can champion them and they > will make a come back :-) > > Rick Karlquist N6RK A phase microstepper is useful with many older Rb and Cs

Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-09 Thread Anders Wallin
Do you mean delay-generators for 1PPS? Or a finely-tunable frequency synthesizer? For 1PPS, the fine-delay FMC card might be worth a look: http://www.ohwr.org/projects/fmc-delay-1ns-8cha/wiki afaik it works by first time-stamping the input pulse, then delaying the output with an integer number of

Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-09 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 12/9/2015 2:26 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, I just tried to figure out how phase microsteppers are usually build, but, beside the time-nuts discussion from 10 years ago and US patents US4358741 and US4417352 my search turned out empty. I am pretty sure that I used the wrong search terms and

Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-09 Thread Alex Pummer
it is not a hint, for what you asked, but if you add a DC voltage to the output of the phase detector in an analog PLL the VCO phase could be adjusted, similarly if you add a constants to the input data of a phase accumulator of the NCO you could adjust the phase of the NCO but be aware, the N

[time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-09 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, I just tried to figure out how phase microsteppers are usually build, but, beside the time-nuts discussion from 10 years ago and US patents US4358741 and US4417352 my search turned out empty. I am pretty sure that I used the wrong search terms and there should be lots of documentation out th