Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: Uhm, sorry, that is just plain wrong. The Ferrantis (sp?) power meter which is the most widely used meter in the world is not frequency sensitive within a band of +/- 10% or more. I have never seen a power meter made by Ferranti in the US.

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread John Day
At 10:00 AM 8/22/2005, you wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Hawkins writes : Power companies bill on time-integrated power - watt-hour meters in the US. Watt-hour meters are still mostly driven by electric clocks, in a way. The frequency does matter. Uhm,

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Chuck Harris
John Day wrote: I have never seen a power meter made by Ferranti in the US. Try Siemens or ABB then, Ferranti has been taken over if I recall. The term is actually Ferraris, after Galileo Ferraris, the inventer of the AC induction motor. As far as I can tell, he had nothing to do with

RE: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Bill Hawkins
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote, quoting me, Power companies bill on time-integrated power - watt-hour meters in the US. Watt-hour meters are still mostly driven by electric clocks, in a way. The frequency does matter. Uhm, sorry, that is just plain wrong. The Ferrantis (sp?) power meter which is the

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Hawkins writes : 1. It is unlikely that any power network just lets itself go, with no standard time/frequency to hold. The under-frequency relays would make that hazardous. Does not follow. Well, it doesn't follow from the watt-hour meter, but look at the

[time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-21 Thread Bill Hawkins
Here's the story on frequency regulation of power lines: You can control a few synchronized generators to an external time standard. You will not be able to get phase control unless the electric loads are steady. Think of the load variations as you would temperature variations, except the load