On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:55:12 -0800
Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote:
Hopefully all this GPS-neutrino talk will calm down when other methods
to validate the synchronization of the clocks at CERN and LNGS are
done
On Jan 8 2012 14:02 javier.serrano.par...@gmail.com wrote:
Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote:
Hopefully all this GPS-neutrino talk will calm down when other methods
to validate the synchronization of the clocks at CERN and LNGS are
done (e.g., direct fiber or traveling Cs clocks).
On 01/08/2012 02:02 PM, Javier Serrano wrote:
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Attila Kinaliatt...@kinali.ch wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:55:12 -0800
Tom Van Baakt...@leapsecond.com wrote:
Hopefully all this GPS-neutrino talk will calm down when other methods
to validate the synchronization
what about swapping the Cs clocks between CERN and LNGS without re-
synchronizing them, and repeating the neutrino test?
Antonio I8IOV
Right, typically when you perform a traveling clock experiment
you don't touch the clocks -- you don't need to synchronize or
resynchronize anything. The key
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Question re neutrinos and GPS
what
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Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 9:11 AM
To: iov...@inwind.it
Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Question re neutrinos and GPS
what about swapping the Cs
Hi Bill,
On 01/08/2012 06:55 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote:
Tom,
I had to look up traveling clock synchronization to get a
better understanding, and found this link:
http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/einstein/chapter9.html
The idea that Qz (time on the quartz clock, no?) drops out in
the subtraction
The idea that Qz (time on the quartz clock, no?) drops out in
the subtraction seems to me to require Qz to be invariant.
Hi Bill,
You might be making this more complicated intended. Antonio
was asking about *resynchronizing* clocks.
Here's another example. You're at home at 7:45 AM and see
On 1/8/2012 5:54 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote:
Here's another example. You're at home at 7:45 AM and see
that your wristwatch is 7 minutes ahead of your kitchen clock.
You get to work at 8:30 AM and notice that your wristwatch is
5 minutes ahead of your office clock. What conclusions can
you
On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:55:12 -0800
Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote:
Hopefully all this GPS-neutrino talk will calm down when other methods
to validate the synchronization of the clocks at CERN and LNGS are
done (e.g., direct fiber or traveling Cs clocks).
According to [1] they already
So far it seemed to me that the overall standpoint of the authoritative time-
nuts list is that the GPS timing and geografical survey of the OPERA experiment
are good (and hence experimental errors or artifacts, if any, should be
searched for elsewhere).
I myself, not being a deep GPS expert,
Hi Antonio,
The GPS is very unlikely to give an accurate speed for anything near the
speed of light - for there are many known effects not taken into account
by the GPS protocol.
In the end the OPERA experiment may alert people to the assumptions and
approximations implicit in the GPS.
Antonio,
On 01/07/2012 12:20 AM, iov...@inwind.it wrote:
So far it seemed to me that the overall standpoint of the authoritative time-
nuts list is that the GPS timing and geografical survey of the OPERA experiment
are good (and hence experimental errors or artifacts, if any, should be
searched
On 01/07/2012 12:37 AM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote:
Hi Antonio,
The GPS is very unlikely to give an accurate speed for anything near the
speed of light - for there are many known effects not taken into account
by the GPS protocol.
In the end the OPERA experiment may alert people to the
On 1/6/12 3:20 PM, iov...@inwind.it wrote:
So far it seemed to me that the overall standpoint of the authoritative time-
nuts list is that the GPS timing and geografical survey of the OPERA experiment
are good (and hence experimental errors or artifacts, if any, should be
searched for
Now I read on another list, in which the subject is not timekeeping and from a
respectable author, that:
The GPS is very unlikely to give an accurate speed for anything near the
speed of light - for there are many known effects not taken into account by the
GPS protocol.
In the end the OPERA
On 1/6/2012 6:20 PM, iov...@inwind.it wrote:
Now I read on another list, in which the subject is not timekeeping and from a
respectable author, that:
The GPS is very unlikely to give an accurate speed for anything near the
speed of light..
Respectable author? What, does he think they're
Amen.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote:
On 1/6/2012 6:20 PM, iov...@inwind.it wrote:
Now I read on another list, in which the subject is not timekeeping and
from a
respectable author, that:
The GPS is very unlikely to give an accurate speed for anything
And let me say this in italian: Antonio, ma chi ha detto 'sta fesseria?
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.itwrote:
Amen.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote:
On 1/6/2012 6:20 PM, iov...@inwind.it wrote:
Now I read on
...I cannot find that weird text using Google...
Antonio, ti ricordi il tunnel della Gelmini? Ecco e' la stessa cosa!
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.itwrote:
And let me say this in italian: Antonio, ma chi ha detto 'sta fesseria?
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at
The GPS is very unlikely to give an accurate speed for anything near the
speed of light - for there are many known effects not taken into account by
the GPS protocol. In the end the OPERA experiment may alert people to the
assumptions and approximations implicit in the GPS.
I can't see
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