Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-05 Thread Hal Murray
b...@iaxs.net said: Aren't these units vintage 2000? The ROM/PAL stickers on mine say 9905 and 9914. b...@iaxs.net said: The Motorola 68000 CPU was available in 1982 When did HP ship their first GPSDO? Ahh. I have a Z3801A that says: COPYRIGHT 1991-1995 MOTOROLA INC. SFTW P/N #

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:11 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: b...@iaxs.net said: Aren't these units vintage 2000? Rumor has it that HP started the project for Lucent *before* the Z3801 came out. Lucent didn’t buy them for a long time. HP decided to chase other customers.

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-05 Thread Pete Lancashire
HPs unit cost for 68000s would have been very, very good. Add up all the instruments and laser printers (I think the controllers where parcs ?), then add the 1000's of man hours of software experience you can imagine why a 68K. On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Doug Ronald d...@dougronald.com

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-05 Thread Stijn Nestra
These dates and versions are from the internal Motorola GPS receiver and not the Z3801A itself.. Op 05-12-14 om 09:11 schreef Hal Murray: b...@iaxs.net said: Aren't these units vintage 2000? The ROM/PAL stickers on mine say 9905 and 9914. b...@iaxs.net said: The Motorola 68000 CPU was

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-05 Thread Doug Ronald
everyone for the answers... -Doug W6DSR -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 7:29 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-05 Thread Hal Murray
d...@dougronald.com said: Also, yes, the 68000 latency most likely required an FPGA's real time capabilities. The 68000 was just a CPU. It didn't have the typical counter/timers (or other IO gear) that are found in many modern chips targeted at the embedded market. Today, you can probably

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-05 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 05.12.2014 um 21:20 schrieb Hal Murray: d...@dougronald.com said: The 68000 was just a CPU. It didn't have the typical counter/timers (or other IO gear) that are found in many modern chips targeted at the embedded market. Today, you can probably get everything you need on an Arm SOC. That's

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: d...@dougronald.com said: Also, yes, the 68000 latency most likely required an FPGA's real time capabilities. The 68000 was just a CPU. It didn't have the typical counter/timers (or other IO gear) that are

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-05 Thread Adrian Godwin
Do any have the 68332 ? That's got the TPU - Time Processing Unit. Pretty good at multiple time domains or, in their frequent job as engine controllers, mixed time/crank angle domains. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann dk...@arcor.de wrote: Am 05.12.2014 um 21:20 schrieb Hal

[time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-04 Thread Doug Ronald
I have sort of a dumb question about the Lucent KS-24361 RFTGs. Why do you suppose there is so much compute power in these units? They have the Xilinx FPGA, and the 68000 CPU just to discipline a 5 MHz oscillator? There must be more going on with these devices than meets my eyes. Thanks

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
There is many little things it does spread-out over the second, but in the end, much of the time is spent in the idle-loop, as it should be. The processor is sufficiently large to handle processing and memory needs, and a suitable real-time OS can be run on it with debugging support, that

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You need the FPGA to do the timing. A CPU / MCU is not fast enough or deterministic enough to do that. By today’s standards, that’s a small FPGA. The HP guys did not like to do assembly code if they could avoid it. The “lots of CPU” (for the day) let them run things like Forth. Again,

Re: [time-nuts] Questionable question about the Lucent RFTGs

2014-12-04 Thread Bill Hawkins
The Motorola 68000 CPU was available in 1982 (and a fine processor it was at the time). Aren't these units vintage 2000? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Doug Ronald Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:03 PM I have sort of a dumb question about the Lucent KS-24361 RFTGs. Why do