Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Tom Van Baak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:42:39 -0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tom, > > Indeed, but you can also handle that by using two oscillators, one for > long- > >

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30)

2005-10-23 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Be aware that Brooks can modify the sensitivity of his PIC for a > rubidium. Brooks has made me several custom PICS for my FRS-C. See, this makes much more sense to me. His architecture is fine and when you swap an OCXO for an Rb things like EFC gain, range, and span are just part of the prob

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30)

2005-10-23 Thread Brian Kirby
- Original Message - From: "Christopher Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30) On 9/18 "Tom Clark, W3IWI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30)

2005-10-23 Thread Richard H McCorkle
- Original Message - From: "Tom Van Baak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest,Vol 14, Issue 30)

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30)

2005-10-23 Thread Tom Van Baak
to this. /tvb - Original Message - From: "Richard H McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 19:53 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest,Vol 14, I

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Indeed, but you can also handle that by using two oscillators, one for long- > term stability and one for short-term and lock the short-term to the long-term > oscillator with a suitable PLL bandwidth. Comes at some additional cost, but > then you can optimize each end better rather than compromi

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Robert Lutwak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:43:34 -0400 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Careful, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Reducing the power to the > oscillator improv

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Robert Lutwak
: "Richard H McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS Hi Richard: It's my understanding that this optimization can be done by chang

[time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Richard, thanks for your answer. I got my OCXO134-12 from eBay (NOS), and so far I have been unable to find its exact specs, as it is not reported on the Isotemp Web site (only the -10 is there). An email to them remained without answer, of course... probably it was a special build for some t

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Richard: It's my understanding that this optimization can be done by changing the oscillator power level at the crystal. In the case of the 32768 Hz watch crystal, it must be run a very low power and it has a very low aging rate when compared to higher frequency crystals that are typicall

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Richard H McCorkle
uot;Alberto di Bene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS > Richard H McCorkle wrote: > > > [snip] > > In interfacing a

[time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Bill Hawkins wrote: Speaking as a process control engineer, it sounds like too much gain. You can verify that it is the oven by warming up the device somehow. That should change the period of oscillation. If it is still 7 minutes then reduce the gain somehow. I can't reduce the gain of the te

RE: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Bill Hawkins
frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS Richard H McCorkle wrote: > [snip] > In interfacing an Isotemp mil spec version of the HP 10811B with a > sensitivity of 9.7e-9/volt and a span of 4.85e-8 to the Shera controller > even with [snip] Richa

[time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Richard H McCorkle wrote: [snip] In interfacing an Isotemp mil spec version of the HP 10811B with a sensitivity of 9.7e-9/volt and a span of 4.85e-8 to the Shera controller even with [snip] Richard, do you perhaps have any experience of using the Isotemp OCXO134-12 unit ? I built a GPSDO

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30)

2005-10-22 Thread Richard H McCorkle
10:40 AM Subject: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30) > > On 9/18 "Tom Clark, W3IWI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The frequency knob that you tweak to correct the Rb frequency >passes some tens of ma thru a coil surro

RE: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-09-18 Thread John Miles
> PS. Anyone got the manuals for the frequency-converter XSRM-Z and > the phase- > comparator XSRM-Z3? I would enjoy having them. Have the XSRM > RB-standard and > XSRM-Z PSU manuals with schematics. Try www.telford-electronics.com for R&S manuals. (Even if it's not listed on their website, emai

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-09-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Brooks Shera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:11:48 -0600 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Magnus is correct that many Rb's have a voltage > input EFC control. But in case yours needs a

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-09-18 Thread Brooks Shera
+5v, to the C-coil connector pin I wouldn't burnout the C coil. Regards, Brooks - Original Message - From: "Magnus Danielson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:45 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to G

Re: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-09-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Christopher Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:40:36 -0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 9/18 "Tom Clark, W3IWI" <[EMAIL PROT

[time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS (was time-nuts Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30)

2005-09-18 Thread Christopher Hoover
On 9/18 "Tom Clark, W3IWI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The frequency knob that you tweak to correct the Rb frequency passes some tens of ma thru a coil surrounding the RF interaction region. If you try to phase lock a Rb to GPS, you need to develop a current source error signal. Hmmm