Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-07 Thread Arnold Tibus
> --- Original message --- > from: "Tom Clark, K3IO (ex W3IWI)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > to: time-nuts@febo.com > concerning: Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc > Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:28:24 -0500 > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > David and

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread David Forbes
At 7:58 PM -0800 3/6/06, Tom Van Baak wrote: >> of things. But there are places with more water in the air than >> Boston, as has been pointed out. I think Seattle may qualify from >> time to time. > >There are many ways to measure rainfall but the most >basic statistic will surprise you: the av

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Didier Juges
I had to look for that info: Here we go, this chart http://www.met.utah.edu/jhorel/html/wx/climate/normrain.html says Pensacola (40 miles to my west) gets 62 inches annualy. Surprisingly (to me), the land record (excluding the Pacific islands) goes to Yakuta, AK with 151"!!! No GPS controlled t

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Tom Van Baak
> of things. But there are places with more water in the air than > Boston, as has been pointed out. I think Seattle may qualify from > time to time. There are many ways to measure rainfall but the most basic statistic will surprise you: the average annual rainfall in Seattle is about 36 inches

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Didier Juges
Na, rain drops in Seattle are usually small, compared to these big buckets we get down here in Florida :-) Not unusual to see 3 to 6 inches/hour of rain over a short period of time. That's the way it feels too if you are out when it happens... Didier KO4BB David Forbes wrote: >Google led me to

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Didier Juges
I think the problem with rain is not the effect on the direct signal, which is negligible as your calculation showed, but the effect of multipath. Is a rain cloud is nearby, it could reflect signals with significant strength, causing multiple receptions at your location, with signals that may

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread David Forbes
Google led me to a paper written 10 years ago at by some folks at Lincoln Labs that determined the GPS-rain delay value experimentally. The paper is at http://gauss.gge.unb.ca/papers.pdf/ion96am.anthea.pdf and the results are up to 300 mm of delay to a GPS signal caused by rain at MIT Haystack

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Tom Clark, K3IO (ex W3IWI) wrote: > David, > > Maybe we can figure this out. First, the refractive > index of water is about 1.3. So I think this means > the propagation speed of radio waves in water is > down to about 0.75 c, right? 1.3 is about right in the optical region, but I believe the ef

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Tom Clark, K3IO (ex W3IWI)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David and Tom opined: Rain should have an effect on the timing of the signal, since the propagation speed of radio waves through water is different from that through air. It will also attenuate the signal, causing worse S/N ratio which would cause the lower-eleva