Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-05-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Glenn wrote: >>>Is PPS kernel discipline compiled into the default FreeBSD kernel? >>> >>> >> >>No, but it's a pretty easy thing to turn on -- you add a line to the >>config file and tell it to go. Pretty straightforward, *once* you find >>the instructions. >> >> > > > Where would I find th

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-05-05 Thread Glenn
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: >Geoff Powell said the following on 04/23/2006 05:42 PM: > > > >>Is PPS kernel discipline compiled into the default FreeBSD kernel? >> >> > >No, but it's a pretty easy thing to turn on -- you add a line to the >config file and tell it to go. Pretty straightforward

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoff Powell writes: >Meanwhile, FreeBSD with your patches on a NET4501 will give units of >microseconds? It's all in stock FreeBSD, no patches needed. The major problem you will have is that NTPD isn't very good once you get down into microseconds. >Yes, I am aw

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-24 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
On Apr 24, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Geoff Powell wrote: >> I wrote a hack called "Remote RRD" which sends updates in UDP packets >> to another host which hosts the RRD file and web-pages and all that >> to get around this problem. > > Aha! A cure. Would you post a URL? Pretty please? http://phk.freebsd

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-24 Thread Geoff Powell
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoff Powell writes: > >>So you'd recommend a 4501, with FreeBSD in Compact Flash? I wanted to >>use CF anyway, since a box running 24/7 is not the best environment in >>which to have movin

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoff Powell writes: >So you'd recommend a 4501, with FreeBSD in Compact Flash? I wanted to >use CF anyway, since a box running 24/7 is not the best environment in >which to have moving parts. The box will have no more that NTP and MRTG >on it. There isn't much I c

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Geoff Powell said the following on 04/23/2006 05:42 PM: > Is PPS kernel discipline compiled into the default FreeBSD kernel? No, but it's a pretty easy thing to turn on -- you add a line to the config file and tell it to go. Pretty straightforward, *once* you find the instructions. > > >>I am

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread John Pettitt
Geoff Powell wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Pettitt > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >> I'll second the soekris box - my box time.no-such-agency.net is a 4801 >> running FreeBSD with a GPS18LVC.You can expect offsets in the +/- >> 5us range except when the box is stressed - the

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread Geoff Powell
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Pettitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I'll second the soekris box - my box time.no-such-agency.net is a 4801 >running FreeBSD with a GPS18LVC.You can expect offsets in the +/- >5us range except when the box is stressed - the standard xtal in the box >is not te

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread John Pettitt
Geoff Powell wrote: > > >> And - most OSes should do the trick. FreeBSD has a really nice >> precision timekeeping interface, though -- and it makes a marvelously >> solid time server. I'm running it on a few Net4801s and recommend >> it. You can very easily build an image for it using

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread Geoff Powell
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >You'll get more than you expect -- the offset you're observing on >ADSL is very likely wrong, because the delays your packets experience >on adsl aren't symmetric. NTP assumes symmetry. So I wouldn't >actually believ

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread Geoff Powell
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Ackermann N8UR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >FreeBSD is definitely the best tuned OS for NTP timekeeping, but Linux >can do OK. The biggest problem is that there's no kernel support for >PPS signals in the 2.6 series of kernels. There is a patch available >for a

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread John Pettitt
David Andersen wrote: > You'll get more than you expect -- the offset you're observing on ADSL > is very likely wrong, because the delays your packets experience on > adsl aren't symmetric. NTP assumes symmetry. So I wouldn't actually > believe that a 1ms offset is really 1ms off, depending on th

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread David Andersen
You'll get more than you expect -- the offset you're observing on ADSL is very likely wrong, because the delays your packets experience on adsl aren't symmetric. NTP assumes symmetry. So I wouldn't actually believe that a 1ms offset is really 1ms off, depending on the RTT to your ISP. B

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Geoff Powell said the following on 04/23/2006 05:00 PM: > So my question is - should I continue with Debian Stable, or would > OpenBSD be better for sub-microsecond accuracy? Indeed, is sub- > microsecond offset achievable with this hardware? GPSDOs and Rb or Cs > standards are not yet practical p

[time-nuts] Recommendations for NTP server

2006-04-23 Thread Geoff Powell
I've just started getting interested in precision timekeeping - if you can call an offset from UTC that is measured in units of milliseconds "precision". My current timeserver is a Buffalo Linkstation, patched to run Debian Stable, and slaved via 2MBit ADSL to my ISPs Stratum 2 timeserver, using