Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Brooke Clarke
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Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Tom Knox
an otherwise exceptional produce. No offense meant to the Symmetricom engineers. It is one of the few product I have purchased new. Thomas Knox > Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:42:54 +0100 > From: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Replac

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Charles, On 02/02/14 21:58, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Magnus wrote: Also, the fan-noise did not change a lot by drying to damp the top lid, so it seems the fan emits it mostly as a direct mode. The older unit has a high hiss to its fan That is what I have observed, as well. The noise is mos

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 02/02/14 21:34, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Magnus wrote: These days I would assume that heat-pipes would be used to move heat to a large external heat-sink. It's fairly cheap these days. I have looked into heat pipes for several projects, and in the end have never used them. The main proble

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Magnus wrote: Also, the fan-noise did not change a lot by drying to damp the top lid, so it seems the fan emits it mostly as a direct mode. The older unit has a high hiss to its fan That is what I have observed, as well. The noise is mostly fan blade noise and some bearing noise coming dir

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Charles, On 02/02/14 21:06, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Magnus wrote: I agree. You need both, but just tossing in a stronger fan isn't going to cut it either. Very true. You need to attack all of the problems to fix it. Well, maybe not all of them, but there is several key areas that togeth

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Magnus wrote: These days I would assume that heat-pipes would be used to move heat to a large external heat-sink. It's fairly cheap these days. I have looked into heat pipes for several projects, and in the end have never used them. The main problem is that almost every solution is customiz

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Magnus wrote: I agree. You need both, but just tossing in a stronger fan isn't going to cut it either. Very true. You need to attack all of the problems to fix it. Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubs

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 02/02/14 20:13, Volker Esper wrote: Magnus, Yes, and the EBM-Papst 624 matches it well. The Papst seems to have much lower noise from the datasheet. There's yet another problem: the mechanical construction conducts the fan noise to the case, so the noise is kind of amplified by the case. I

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 02/02/14 20:28, Tom Knox wrote: A little off topic but It seems many instruments (the SR620 and 53132A included) would work best with an internal fan. (A closed system, not exchanging outside air). Possibly with some sort of internal/external heat sink if needed. Or in high power situation

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 02/02/14 20:16, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Magnus wrote: My point was, the thermistor is never "happy." It always wants more cooling. So it spins the fan up to full speed and is still too hot to reach equlibrium. Which only means that the thermistor setup is shifted and needs to be adjuste

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Volker Esper
Magnus, > Yes, and the EBM-Papst 624 matches it well. The Papst seems to have > much lower noise from the datasheet. There's yet another problem: the mechanical construction conducts the fan noise to the case, so the noise is kind of amplified by the case. I felt somewhat disappointed after repla

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Tom Knox
> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 19:17:03 +0100 > From: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620 > > On 02/02/14 18:47, Charles Steinmetz wrote: > > Magnus wrote: > > > >> If the heat sources where well

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Magnus wrote: My point was, the thermistor is never "happy." It always wants more cooling. So it spins the fan up to full speed and is still too hot to reach equlibrium. Which only means that the thermistor setup is shifted and needs to be adjusted to achieve the goal. * * * So,

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 02/02/14 18:47, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Magnus wrote: If the heat sources where well coupled to the air-flow, which they are not, and the flow-path as low air-flow resistance, which it also doesn't have, requires the fan to work at high rate to get any air move, and to get the thermistor ha

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Magnus wrote: If the heat sources where well coupled to the air-flow, which they are not, and the flow-path as low air-flow resistance, which it also doesn't have, requires the fan to work at high rate to get any air move, and to get the thermistor happy. My point was, the thermistor is neve

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 02/02/14 03:43, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Jarl wrote: In my SR620 the fan is a Delta DBF0624H. It is a 60x60x25 mm fan, 24V /0.11A. Mine, too. Does anyone know the airflow rating of the Delta fan? It does not appear to move as much air as it should (at least not if the idea is to hold th

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Volker, On 02/02/14 01:51, Volker Esper wrote: Magnus, I took an EBMPabst 624. Pabst has a good reputation. Papst is known good brand. I have seen another brand fail miserably so this is why I am asking. The original fan is a Delta Electronics DFB0624 H, Dimensions are 60mm x 60mm x 25mm,

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-01 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Jarl wrote: In my SR620 the fan is a Delta DBF0624H. It is a 60x60x25 mm fan, 24V /0.11A. Mine, too. Does anyone know the airflow rating of the Delta fan? It does not appear to move as much air as it should (at least not if the idea is to hold the interior at a fixed temperature) -- every

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-01 Thread Volker Esper
Magnus, I took an EBMPabst 624. Pabst has a good reputation. The original fan is a Delta Electronics DFB0624 H, Dimensions are 60mm x 60mm x 25mm, DC24V 0.11A Volker Am 01.02.2014 18:56, schrieb Magnus Danielson: > Fellow time-nuts, > > I heard the fan in one of my SR620s and it didn't really w

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-01 Thread Tom Knox
bject: [time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620 > > Fellow time-nuts, > > I heard the fan in one of my SR620s and it didn't really was a nice > sound. Has someone found a good replacement fan? Quieter would be nice. > > Considering performance checks and calibrati

[time-nuts] Replacement fan in SR620

2014-02-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts, I heard the fan in one of my SR620s and it didn't really was a nice sound. Has someone found a good replacement fan? Quieter would be nice. Considering performance checks and calibration this evening. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts m