Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-22 Thread TheInfamousFlavio
-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 00:12 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request I have an SR620 counter that I set up with a Z3801A as an external reference. If I put a bnc T connector at the output of the Z3801A and use two equal length bnc

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-22 Thread TheInfamousFlavio
time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 23:13 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request I ran into this same problem with my first SR620. I thought it was defective, so I sent it to SRS for a cal and refurbishment

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-22 Thread Ulrich Bangert
of precise time and frequency measurement Betreff: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request I have an SR620 counter that I set up with a Z3801A as an external reference. If I put a bnc T connector at the output of the Z3801A and use two equal length bnc cables, one

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-22 Thread Robert Crawford
this offset is correct. - Original Message - From: Robert Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 23:13 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request I ran

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-22 Thread TheInfamousFlavio
- From: Ulrich Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:24 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request Dear ???, I encountered pretty much the same effect when I bought my

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-22 Thread TheInfamousFlavio
a mean that is accurate. -Flavio - Original Message - From: Robert Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:58 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-22 Thread Hal Murray
Perhaps you're running into some sort of meta-stability problem since your clock and input are synchronous. Try lengthening one of the cables a foot or so and see if it makes any difference. I'd be very suspicious of a metastability problem if the results are even somewhat reproducible.

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-22 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 00:12 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request I have an SR620 counter that I set up with a Z3801A as an external reference. If I put a bnc T connector at the output

[time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread TheInfamousFlavio
I have an SR620 counter that I set up with a Z3801A as an external reference. If I put a bnc T connector at the output of the Z3801A and use two equal length bnc cables, one to the ext. ref input on the back and the other to channel A then do a frequency measurement, I get a mean that is about

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:13:08 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've done the self calibration. Nothing changes. I've let everything warm-up and checked both channels A and B, same thing

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: I don't have the manuals (and particular the service manual) for the SR620, does anybody have them in electronics form? Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request Hi Flavio: Have you tried using averaging? The right most digits are from an interpolator and if you check the manual the displayed resolution is much greater than the accuracy, but if you average say 1,000 readings then those digits get much

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread Mike Fahmie
At 02:57 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: I have an SR620 counter that I set up with a Z3801A as an external reference. If I put a bnc T connector at the output of the Z3801A and use two equal length bnc cables, one to the ext. ref input on the back and the other to channel A then do a frequency

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread Mike Fahmie
At 03:50 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: At 02:57 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: I have an SR620 counter that I set up with a Z3801A as an external reference. If I put a bnc T connector at the output of the Z3801A and use two equal length bnc cables, one to the ext. ref input on the back and the other to

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Mike Fahmie wrote: At 02:57 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: I have an SR620 counter that I set up with a Z3801A as an external reference. If I put a bnc T connector at the output of the Z3801A and use two equal length bnc cables, one to the ext. ref input on the back and the other to channel

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread TheInfamousFlavio
Your SR620 is well within its specifications, the tolerance for this test is -0.0035 Hz to + 0.0035 Hz. The readings fluctuate by that amount, but the mean is still off by -0.00150 Hz. Changing cable length... Tried it, no difference. 25Ohm load with two terms Tried all variations of

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:40:57 +1300 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hej Bruce, http://thinksrs.com/downloads/PDFs/Manuals/SR620m.pdf Many thanks! Has everything except circuit

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request -- A thought

2007-02-21 Thread TheInfamousFlavio
-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request Hej Magnus The Frequency measurement logic (before the interpolators) appears to use a pair of 2 bit synchonisers, one for the rising edge and one for the falling edge of the internally generated frequency gate. The synchronisers

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request -- A thought

2007-02-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
, February 21, 2007 19:47 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request Hej Magnus The Frequency measurement logic (before the interpolators) appears to use a pair of 2 bit synchonisers, one for the rising edge and one for the falling edge of the internally generated

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request -- A thought

2007-02-21 Thread TheInfamousFlavio
...if my model is correct the apparent offset in the mean will be increased by a factor of 10 over that for a a 1 second gate time. Bruce Looks like you're right Bruce. I did both 1, 0.1 and 0.01 gate times and the error increased by a factor of 10. And it doesn't sound like this is a

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request -- A thought

2007-02-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...if my model is correct the apparent offset in the mean will be increased by a factor of 10 over that for a a 1 second gate time. Bruce Looks like you're right Bruce. I did both 1, 0.1 and 0.01 gate times and the error increased by a factor of 10. And

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread Robert Crawford
I ran into this same problem with my first SR620. I thought it was defective, so I sent it to SRS for a cal and refurbishment. It got better, but still had an offset of 0.0004 Hz. Later I bought a second one, and it, too, had an offset similar to yours. A careful reading of the manual, page

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request -- A thought

2007-02-21 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...if my model is correct the apparent offset in the mean will be increased by a factor of 10 over that for a a 1 second gate time. Bruce Looks like you're right Bruce. I did both 1, 0.1 and 0.01 gate times and the

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request

2007-02-21 Thread Tom Van Baak
I have an SR620 counter that I set up with a Z3801A as an external reference. If I put a bnc T connector at the output of the Z3801A and use two equal length bnc cables, one to the ext. ref input on the back and the other to channel A then do a frequency measurement, I get a mean that is

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request -- A thought

2007-02-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...if my model is correct the apparent offset in the mean will be increased by a factor of 10 over that for a a 1 second gate time. Bruce Looks like you're right Bruce. I did both