Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me?

2006-02-08 Thread Dave Brown
Care to tell us more about your clock accumulator, Bill? DaveB, NZ - Original Message - From: "Bill Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Seco

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me?

2006-02-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
> I've noticed that the emphasis on this list seems to be placed on > fast measurements of short-term drift. I'm more interested in long > term drift, so I use a clock accumulator to measure drift over > months (no setup has lasted a year, yet). > > Why is the focus on short-term drift? > > Bill

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me?

2006-02-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
I've noticed that the emphasis on this list seems to be placed on fast measurements of short-term drift. I'm more interested in long term drift, so I use a clock accumulator to measure drift over months (no setup has lasted a year, yet). Why is the focus on short-term drift? Bill Hawkins __

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me? Good Links

2006-02-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
Brooke, Let me clarify this a bit more. > It's my understanding the a properly working Cs standard probably has it's > frequency slightly off from perfect, but does NOT have any drift in > frequency. Agreed. Over a month there should be no obvious frequency drift in a Cs standard. However, from

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me? Good Links

2006-02-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
Brooke, Correct, with a Cs standard you can expect that there will be no long-term drift in frequency. However if you look at the short-term you will often see trends that look like drift. In your S/N 1227 plot both red and blue show trends on the order of 3 to 4 days. You are wise not to call thi

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me? Good Links

2006-02-07 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: The plot with red and blue is the old data on s/n 1227 where the red points are from LORAN-C and the blue points from GPS. s/n 1227 = http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/pdf/Cs_Drift0429.pdf from April 29, 2005. This might be a clue to the problem I'm now having with s/n 1013. http://w

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me? Good Links

2006-02-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
Brooke, > For the last couple of weeks it has shown a parabolic plot like s/n > 1227, although this time the polarity is opposite that of s/n 1227 which > also showed drift, but that may be a setup difference. A plot of s/n > 1227 is at: file:///C:/Webdocs/pdf/Cs_Drift0429.pdf This plot has

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me?

2006-02-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
Brooke, > For most of the test the SR620 was using it's internal oscillator and > just recently I changed it to the PRS10 external standard but that does > not seem to have made any difference. Correct. Since your time interval values are on the order of 1 microsecond or less the accuracy of th

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me? Good Links

2006-02-07 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: No, the plots are of the raw data. Comparing this morning (8:27) @ 892 ns with yesterday morning (8:27) @ 858.2 gives a linear slope of 3.7E-13. This may be the Ultra Stable Oscillator, but I don't see how changing the C-field would effect it. That is, if the C-field is changed then

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me? Good Links

2006-02-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Brooke -- Did you remove any linear offset before generating thorse plots? They sure look a lot more like an Xtal aging with offset removed, than a Cs. I wonder if it might be related to your use of the 1MHz output, rather than 1pps, to drive the stop input. Maybe you're slipping cycles du

Re: [time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me? Good Links

2006-02-06 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: Sorry for the bad links, here are good ones: Today's plot = http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/pdf/sn1013_850_Drift2.pdf s/n 1227 29 Apr 2005 plot = http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/pdf/Cs_Drift0429.pdf Brooke Brooke Clarke wrote: >Hi: > >A year ago I took apart the FTS4060 that was DO

[time-nuts] Second FTS4060 shows Drift, is it me?

2006-02-06 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: A year ago I took apart the FTS4060 that was DOA (s/n 1013) because of rough shipping and used it to figure out most of the interconnect wiring. A few months ago I put it back together with the thought of selling it as a parts unit. But first powered it up and found that it now locked an