Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Accuracy needs...

2008-12-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
Thomas A. Frank skrev: On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Burt I. Weiner wrote: I suppose a good comparison would be: How accurate does the speedometer in the car really need to be and why. Accurate enough so that if its reading matches the posted sign, you don't receive a ticket? An

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Accuracy needs...

2008-12-21 Thread Robert Darlington
And faster speedometers make your warranty run out faster, which nobody except the car companies like. On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Thomas A. Frank skrev: On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Burt I. Weiner wrote: I suppose a good

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Michael Baker
Hello, TimeNutters-- John Miles, KE5FX wrote: Well, sure, it's more accurate than the undisciplined OCXO in the counter, that's the idea behind the Thunderbolt. :) n3...@aol.com wrote: I just wanted to ask the group if the Thunderbolt would be more accurate than the internal reference?

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Michael Baker skrev: Hello, TimeNutters-- John Miles, KE5FX wrote: Well, sure, it's more accurate than the undisciplined OCXO in the counter, that's the idea behind the Thunderbolt. :) n3...@aol.com wrote: I just wanted to ask the group if the Thunderbolt would be more accurate

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread N3IZN
OK thanks, I couldn't find the link for the thunderbolt. The Agilent manual states the best it's LO is 1 X E-10, (I think). I was just thinking expensive test equipment that was recently calibrated versus junk GPSDO that I salvaged from telco equipment. **A Good Credit Score is

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Hal Murray
versus junk GPSDO It's not junk. What are you interested in? Short term stability or long term accuracy? I'd expect the GPSDO to be more accurate over the long term, but probably wobble around slightly at a time scale of a few seconds as the D tries to keep things on target. An equivalent

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal Murray skrev: versus junk GPSDO It's not junk. What are you interested in? Short term stability or long term accuracy? I'd expect the GPSDO to be more accurate over the long term, but probably wobble around slightly at a time scale of a few seconds as the D tries to keep things

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Richard W. Solomon
...@aol.com Sent: Dec 20, 2008 2:45 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...?? OK thanks, I couldn't find the link for the thunderbolt. The Agilent manual states the best it's LO is 1 X E-10, (I think). I was just thinking expensive test equipment

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Dave Ackrill
Hal Murray wrote: versus junk GPSDO It's not junk. What are you interested in? Short term stability or long term accuracy? I'm glad to hear that the Thunderbolt is not classed as 'junk'... :-) Personally, what I want to do is two things. 1. Keep my PC clock within a reasonable

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Mike A statement of accuracy is of little value unless you also give: 1) An estimate of the accuracy of standard used for comparison. 2) An estimate of the random and systematic errors in the comparison 3) Some details of the comparison method. 4) Averaging time and other pertinent info.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bruce Griffiths skrev: Mike A statement of accuracy is of little value unless you also give: 1) An estimate of the accuracy of standard used for comparison. 2) An estimate of the random and systematic errors in the comparison 3) Some details of the comparison method. 4) Averaging

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Hej Magnus Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths skrev: Mike A statement of accuracy is of little value unless you also give: 1) An estimate of the accuracy of standard used for comparison. 2) An estimate of the random and systematic errors in the comparison 3) Some details of the

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt Accuracy needs...

2008-12-20 Thread Burt I. Weiner
I suppose a good comparison would be: How accurate does the speedometer in the car really need to be and why. Burt, K6OQK From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...?? sniped... It's not that we can't achieve better performance, but if we

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Edwin B. Walker
PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...?? Richard W. Solomon wrote: ...junk GPSDO... . Are you sure of that statement ? The Cal Lab where I retired from had one of those junk GPSDO's that they used. The only difference between theirs and mine (that I built) was the 3 orders

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Edwin B. Walker skrev: I wonder if companies don't junk equipment because electrolytic capacitors last years not decades Does this make sense? No. Details like that does not comes into play. If the quality of the gear does not match the specs, the manufacturer gets a serious problems so

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Brian Kirby
-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...?? Richard W. Solomon wrote: ...junk GPSDO... . Are you sure of that statement ? The Cal Lab where I retired from had one of those junk GPSDO's that they used. The only difference between

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Lux, James P
On 12/20/08 4:44 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Edwin B. Walker skrev: I wonder if companies don't junk equipment because electrolytic capacitors last years not decades Does this make sense? No. Details like that does not comes into play. If the quality of the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt accuracy...??

2008-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Lux, James P skrev: On 12/20/08 4:44 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Edwin B. Walker skrev: I wonder if companies don't junk equipment because electrolytic capacitors last years not decades Does this make sense? No. Details like that does not comes into play. If

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Accuracy needs...

2008-12-20 Thread Thomas A. Frank
On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Burt I. Weiner wrote: I suppose a good comparison would be: How accurate does the speedometer in the car really need to be and why. Accurate enough so that if its reading matches the posted sign, you don't receive a ticket? Tom Frank, KA2CDK

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Accuracy needs...

2008-12-20 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: Or, certifiable that it was reading low getting you out of a ticket. The judge told me I could use this only once. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com Thomas A. Frank wrote: On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Burt I. Weiner wrote: I suppose a good comparison would be: How