Re: [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-22 Thread slawek dabrowski
Hello to the group, Thanks for interesting discussion. I found a nice plot in"Measurement, Instrumentation, and Sensors Handbook, Second Edition", ( John G. Webster,Halit Eren), at 42-24 page. It shows that in short term stability (tau 1 - 10 s) dual mixer method is most sensible, in long

Re: [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-21 Thread Bob kb8tq
e further tests. > Cheers, > Luciano > > > Da "time-nuts" time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > A time-nuts@febo.com > Cc > Data Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:14:10 -0800 > Oggetto [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method > Luciano, > >

Re: [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-21 Thread tim...@timeok.it
A time-nuts@febo.com Cc Data Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:14:10 -0800 Oggetto [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method Luciano, I don't know of a commercial version. As you have seen as the two signals move away from close phase coincidence the system noise level wil

[time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-20 Thread cdelect
Luciano, I don't know of a commercial version. As you have seen as the two signals move away from close phase coincidence the system noise level will increase. This is because the common offset oscillator noise will only cancel when the phases are closely matching. This is mainly important

Re: [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-20 Thread Bob kb8tq
> Da "time-nuts" time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > A time-nuts@febo.com > Cc > Data Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:13:54 -0800 > Oggetto [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method > Luciano, > > Not sure what you mean by "two measures made on the

Re: [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-20 Thread tim...@timeok.it
.com Cc Data Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:13:54 -0800 Oggetto [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method Luciano, Not sure what you mean by "two measures made on the same DUT never coincide". The plotter program takes out wraps which since your phase gain is

[time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-18 Thread cdelect
Luciano, Not sure what you mean by "two measures made on the same DUT never coincide". The plotter program takes out wraps which since your phase gain is so large are due to happen. For lower Tau measurements just adjust the phase for close to equal and run shorter plots. These can be spliced

Re: [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-17 Thread Bob kb8tq
; http://quartzlock.com/userfiles/downloads/manuals/A7-A_&_A7-MX_Manual.pdf > Luciano > www.timeok.it > > > Da "time-nuts" time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > A "time-nuts" time-nuts@febo.com > Cc > Data Tue, 16 Jan 2018 17:58:18 +0100 >

Re: [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-16 Thread Jerry Hancock
I am working to build a small DMTD system based on Bill Riley’s paper. Bill was kind enough to send me a package with updates. In the meantime, I tested an AD8302 phase detector coupled to an HP voltmeter (HP3456 and HP3457), both with the filter set. I believe the HP3456A voltmeter filter

Re: [time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-16 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi You have to measure two different outputs to do what you describe. The PPS measurements are limited to > 1 x10^-10 with most counters at tau = 1 second and 2x10^-11 with some exotic models. The mixer based stuff can get around three orders of magnitude past that at the same tau. Since a

[time-nuts] Time interval measurement vs dual mixer method

2018-01-16 Thread slawek dabrowski
Hello to the group! Have you ever measured frequency standard (or other precision oscillator) simultanously by time interval method (difference between 1 pps ref and 1 pps DUT) and dual mixer method (e.q. with phase/frequency comparator)? I'm very interested in results. Slawek