Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-10-01 Thread Stephan Flor via time-nuts
The True Position GPSDO is working, locked to 8 satellites. It's 10MHz output is extremely close to the X72's output. Using an oscilloscope to compare the signals  with a lissajous pattern, there is only a very small, slow movement, barely perceivable. I don't  need to do any calibration to the

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-10-01 Thread Stephan Flor via time-nuts
I figured it out. It was the ASCII settings, it's working now. - ASCII Sending,  "Echo typed characters locally" - ASCII Receiving,  "Append line feeds to incoming line ends" Thanks,Steve On Sunday, October 1, 2017 8:30 AM, Stephan Flor wrote: I received my True Position

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-10-01 Thread Stephan Flor via time-nuts
I received my True Position GPSDO. I'm testing it.I am connected to it via a rs232 port, and using HyperTerminal on a XP laptop to communicate. I'm getting the boot message "GETVER 12.0.1 BOOT". This may be a stupid question, but how do I get the boot message to stop so I can send the "$P

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 01:06:36 -0400 ewkehren via time-nuts wrote: > Starting with a 10 second clean up loop for a FEI 5680/GPSDO to now 600 > Seconds using Wenzel's j circuit for the Tbolt we have a variety of boards. Which one is Wenzel's j circuit? Google does not seem to be able to find it. A

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-24 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
Meaning home=home ? just kidding. ,long staying constant 73 de Ulrich In a message dated 9/24/2017 8:45:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: Hi, On 09/24/2017 02:30 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > >> On Sep 23, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Hal Murray wrote: >> >> >

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 09/24/2017 02:30 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi On Sep 23, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Hal Murray wrote: kb...@n1k.org said: If the main use is feeding test gear (and not direct synthesis) an Rb may do pretty well. Most instruments assume a dirty reference signal and clean it up internally. What'

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Sep 23, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > > kb...@n1k.org said: >> If the main use is feeding test gear (and not direct synthesis) an Rb may do >> pretty well. Most instruments assume a dirty reference signal and clean it >> up internally. > > What's the bandwidth on the typic

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-23 Thread ewkehren via time-nuts
ehren Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Hal Murray Date: 9/23/17 9:39 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: hmur...@megapathdsl.net Subject: Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72 kb...@n1k.org said: > If the mai

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-23 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: > If the main use is feeding test gear (and not direct synthesis) an Rb may do > pretty well. Most instruments assume a dirty reference signal and clean it > up internally. What's the bandwidth on the typical cleanup PLL? How well does that match the noise from a Rb? --

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If the main use is feeding test gear (and not direct synthesis) an Rb may do pretty well. Most instruments assume a dirty reference signal and clean it up internally. 1 Hz at 20 GHz is 5x10^-11 most sources you measure up there will not be stable to 1Hz at a 1 second gate. The Rb will be i

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-22 Thread Stephan Flor via time-nuts
The highest frequency I can generate is 2.5 GHz. My counter can measure 20 GHz, to 1 HZ. At the moment I'm have a frequency locking problem with the extension module in my HP 8660C, so I can't even get to 2.5 GHz, only 110 MHz at the moment. I gust got some extender boards, so I hope to have it

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Given the noise levels of typical Rb’s - use XOR gates as the mixers. Do a either a simple LPF on the output or ignore the HF component (each approach is a bit of a tradeoff). Once you have the beat notes, feed them into timer inputs on your uC chip of choice. If you do the filters as R/

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-22 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:21:51 -0400 Bob kb8tq wrote: > An alternative is to add an offset oscillator to the mix and look at beat > notes. It does not have to be ultra close. An 11 MHz offset signal would take > the > 12 ns down to an effective 1.2 ns. Odd frequency OCXO’s sell cheap on I consi

[time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-21 Thread Mark Sims
X72 support in Lady Heather is a new feature not in the current v5.0 release. If you are running under Linux or can build the v5.0 Windows code, I can send you the latest version tp compile. The X72 has a DDS synthesizer on it that lets you vary the output freq in steps of 2.03E-12 parts. My

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-21 Thread Chris Caudle
On Wed, September 20, 2017 3:44 pm, Stephan Flo via time-nuts wrote: > I just wanted a 10 MHz sync for my test equipment that was calibrated. > May be the GPSDO is all I need. Even an undisciplined rubidium oscillator is going to be very close to nominal 10MHz. You have never stated your desired

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-21 Thread Stephan Flor via time-nuts
Thank you for the great  feedback.  You guys make me realize that I need to learn more, I have some studying to do.  I will study while I wait for the True position to arrive. Then I have to get it working. I just wanted a 10 MHz sync for my test equipment that was calibrated. May be the GPSDO i

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-21 Thread Stephan Flor via time-nuts
Thank you Mark. I'm just starting to learn about Rb oscillators and GPSDO.  I started on this while repairing my old HP 8660c signal generator, and I wanted to get all of my equipment on a common sync clock. I bought the X72, because it was small, thinking I may be able to replace the ocxo in th

[time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-20 Thread Mark Sims
GPS disciplined rubidium oscillators are generally not a good idea. Rubidiums tend to be quite a bit more noisy than OCXOs. Their advantage is their long term frequency stability. The GPS system in a GPSDO compensates for the OCXO drift, so the only advantage of a GPS disciplined Rb is if yo

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-20 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 18:09:16 + (UTC) > Stephan Flor via time-nuts wrote: > >> Hi everyone,I'm new to this list, and I wanted to get the opinion of some >> mere experienced people on my project idea.I just got a Symmetricom X72 Rb

Re: [time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-20 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 18:09:16 + (UTC) Stephan Flor via time-nuts wrote: > Hi everyone,I'm new to this list, and I wanted to get the opinion of some > mere experienced people on my project idea.I just got a Symmetricom X72 Rb > oscillator, and I have a True position GPSDO on the way.  I wan't

[time-nuts] True Position GPSDP + Rb X72

2017-09-20 Thread Stephan Flor via time-nuts
Hi everyone,I'm new to this list, and I wanted to get the opinion of some mere experienced people on my project idea.I just got a Symmetricom X72 Rb oscillator, and I have a True position GPSDO on the way.  I wan't to have a self calibrating 10 MHz signal to synchronize my hobby rf lab equipment