[time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
As part of the D/M project the counter uses a 100 MHz VCO with an AD 4001 PLL. To simplify further I would like to consider a very simple VCXO, easily available components, no tuning, any ideas out there. For once phase noise is of no concern. Bert Kehren

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
Hello Bert, That rationale sounds suspiciously familiar. The quest for an ever simpler VCO, that is. At the expense of some additional phase noise compared to VCXO+PLL, you could use an ADF4360-9. It is readily available at for example digikey, currently for $6.26. For my fpga based counter

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread ehydra
A circuit design? Look for 96MHz variants. Many out there. Example: http://www.qsl.net/dk1ag/96mhz_e.pdf - Henry -- ehydra.dyndns.info ewkeh...@aol.com schrieb: As part of the D/M project the counter uses a 100 MHz VCO with an AD 4001 PLL. To simplify further I would like to consider a

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
Thanks for the info Fred The problem is the package. Looking at the Cirrus Logic CS 2300-CP and use a bubbler. Since I start out with 5 or 10 MHz there must be something out there that can be soldered. In a message dated 2/25/2011 7:17:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tijddin...@yahoo.com

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
Well, I know Geraldo Lino de Campos on this list is using an ICS670-03 for this purpose. For me personally that part is too jittery by about a decade, but for your purpose it might just be the right compromise. Certainly has a friendlier package. datasheet:

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bert, first of all I'm really happy you're digging into this -- it's been on my list of projects for someday for a long time! One thing working in your favor is that the actual BFO frequency is way down at audio; the BFO crystals at around 2 MHz are divided by 1000 before hitting the mixer.

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread jimlux
On 2/25/11 3:05 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: As part of the D/M project the counter uses a 100 MHz VCO with an AD 4001 PLL. To simplify further I would like to consider a very simple VCXO, easily available components, no tuning, any ideas out there. For once phase noise is of no concern. Bert

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
Thanks for the input, do not forget the total system cost has to be $200, the latest version has a simple VCO but I would like to eliminate component selection, may stay with the present design, but the Cirrus CS 2300 followed by a bubbler may be the answer. Maybe there is something like the

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
I need to multiply by 10 and 20, 670-2 can not multiply by 20.Thanks. Bert In a message dated 2/25/2011 8:03:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tijddin...@yahoo.com writes: Well, I know Geraldo Lino de Campos on this list is using an ICS670-03 for this purpose. For me personally that part

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Chris Albertson
assumes you don't mind QFN packages. You know, the  little buggers with 0.5 mm pitch and no  pins. Have you seen SchmartBoards I think with one of those you could solder QFM with eyes closed, literally. Hard to describe how they work but the board is milled so the chip fits in sort of like in

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
Hello Chris, No I didn't know SchmartBoards, thanks for the tip. Although maybe I am missing something... I just checked their site, and watched the videos, but I couldn't find anything I'd spend $12 on. When you say that it is expensive at $12 each, but you need only one, do you mean that as

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
English and fingers are not perfect and I did not check before I send it sorry about that Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/25/2011 10:50:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tijddin...@yahoo.com writes: Pardon my ignorance, but what is a bubbler? Is that time-nut speak for a frequency

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Tijd Dingen tijddin...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Chris, No I didn't know SchmartBoards, thanks for the tip. Although maybe I am missing something... I just checked their site, and watched the videos, but I couldn't find anything I'd spend $12 on. When you say

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread paul swed
Boy even though they are $12 for larger packages I would need them. It is so easy to create solder bridges. I can get away with direct connections to 14 pin or less and honestly have to say about 10. It seems crazy because the micro as an example might be $5. But thats the reality. regards Paul

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread ehydra
Hm. Concerning the CS2x00. Is there a PC software available to program it via i2c? I mean without this IDT monster software. Any hint is welcome! - Henry ewkeh...@aol.com schrieb: Thanks for the info Fred The problem is the package. Looking at the Cirrus Logic CS 2300-CP and use a

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
Heh, I could care less about typos. I just honestly didn't understand what you meant. The best matches I could come up with was bubble counter and doubler. And since a bubble counter made no sense in this context and a doubler did, I thought I'd go with that guess and run with it. So now with

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
hand soldering those. ;) - Original Message From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 9:51:03 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help Boy even though they are $12 for larger packages I would

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
That's a bit of an open question since it depends on many things. So I realize this may be a bit too generic, but hey you said any hints ;). Simple example that I know to work in linux, and the same principle should work in windows. 1 - make i2c interface with parallel port + couple of