Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/11/13 12:45 AM, Stefan Heinzmann wrote: Jim Lux wrote: On 7/10/13 12:29 PM, Didier Juges wrote: Jim said: Now you're confusing me. As far as I am aware, there was the 8663A which appeared in the early eighties. And much later came the E8663B, and subsequently the E8663D. I've never seen

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-11 Thread Stefan Heinzmann
Jim Lux wrote: On 7/10/13 12:29 PM, Didier Juges wrote: Jim said: "It's like a HP 8663B (not the modern Agilent E8663).. very low noise," The Agilent E8663 has similar SSB phase noise spec as the older HP 8662A (-144dBc/Hz @ 10 kHz with option UNY, versus -143 for the 8662). You seem to impl

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/10/13 12:29 PM, Didier Juges wrote: Jim said: "It's like a HP 8663B (not the modern Agilent E8663).. very low noise," The Agilent E8663 has similar SSB phase noise spec as the older HP 8662A (-144dBc/Hz @ 10 kHz with option UNY, versus -143 for the 8662). You seem to imply they are differe

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-10 Thread Didier Juges
Jim said: "It's like a HP 8663B (not the modern Agilent E8663).. very low noise," The Agilent E8663 has similar SSB phase noise spec as the older HP 8662A (-144dBc/Hz @ 10 kHz with option UNY, versus -143 for the 8662). You seem to imply they are different. Can you elaborate? Of course, the Agil

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-10 Thread Eric Williams
We use an Agilent 8644B where I work as the master oscillator for an electron cyclotron storage ring. Electrons at 2GeV don't like to be pushed around and are very sensitive to phase noise, so the feedback loop that adjusts the frequency uses the FM input for fine adjustment. -- eric On Wed, Jul

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Having hooked up a 9854 and tried it with realistic settings - it's not that great. If you run it at "magic" frequencies (where it's essentially just a divider) it looks like a divider. Bob On Jul 9, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Anders Time wrote: > Thanks a lot for the input. > I have been looking

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-09 Thread Tom Knox
:54 -0700 > From: bro...@pacific.net > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to > PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040? > > Hi Anders: > > The HP 8648() series signal generators were made for applications that > req

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Anders: The HP 8648() series signal generators were made for applications that required very clean signals, like testing pagers. http://www.prc68.com/I/HP8648.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Anders Time wrote: Thanks a

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-09 Thread ewkehren
Take a look at AD 9913, just got boards may have results in a month. Bert Kehren Sent from Samsung tabletAnders Time wrote:Thanks a lot for the input. I have been looking at the Fluke 6160b, but I thought that there might be something as good out there that is not 40years old! I want to use t

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-09 Thread Anders Time
Thanks a lot for the input. I have been looking at the Fluke 6160b, but I thought that there might be something as good out there that is not 40years old! I want to use the synthesizer as a flexible offset source for beat frequency measurements. So the frequency range is 5 to 30MHz approx. I read R

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-08 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
On 07/08/2013 07:55 AM, Ed Palmer wrote: In 2002, this document: THE CRYSTAL OSCILLATOR CHARACTERIZATION FACILITY AT THE AEROSPACE CORPORATION http://www.pttimeeting.org/archivemeetings/2002papers/paper32.pdf stated: "The Programmed Test Sources, Inc. PTS model #250M6NIGSX-51 low-noise freq

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-08 Thread Bob Camp
, July 08, 2013 11:02 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040? I've had my eye on the Stanford Research SG 380 for some time - they boast -116dBc/Hz phase noise

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-08 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/8/13 7:55 AM, Ed Palmer wrote: In 2002, this document: THE CRYSTAL OSCILLATOR CHARACTERIZATION FACILITY AT THE AEROSPACE CORPORATION http://www.pttimeeting.org/archivemeetings/2002papers/paper32.pdf stated: "The Programmed Test Sources, Inc. PTS model #250M6NIGSX-51 low-noise frequency sy

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-08 Thread Andy Bardagjy
I've had my eye on the Stanford Research SG 380 for some time - they boast -116dBc/Hz phase noise http://thinksrs.com/products/SG380.htm They use a pretty interesting "rational approximation frequency synthesis" which they discuss in detail in their operating manual. This allows them to drive dow

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-08 Thread Ed Palmer
In 2002, this document: THE CRYSTAL OSCILLATOR CHARACTERIZATION FACILITY AT THE AEROSPACE CORPORATION http://www.pttimeeting.org/archivemeetings/2002papers/paper32.pdf stated: "The Programmed Test Sources, Inc. PTS model #250M6NIGSX-51 low-noise frequency synthesizer is used to offset the fr

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi What frequency range? Conventional DDS isn't likely to do the job. Bob On Jul 8, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Anders Time wrote: > I have been looking around for a very stable synthesizer( The only really good information that I have found is febo.comĀ“s > measurements on the PTS synthesizers(http://w

[time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-08 Thread Anders Time
I have been looking around for a very stable synthesizer(http://www.febo.com/pages/pts_synth/). Is there any other really good alternatives to the PTS synthesizers? DDS? HP? Best Regards Anders ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscri