Just a quick thought. I saw at least one person mention RAID, and
another mention multiple copies of the same data. A true backup copy
is off line. RAID does not protect you from an accidental delete,
virus, etc... Multiple copies only spreads the risk around.
I backup to a USB hard di
Any backup that is stored in the same city as the original (some would say
within 100 miles of the city) is NOT a backup. It is just a disk waiting for a
(real) disaster. No fire proof safe, baggie, etc is a substitute for
physical distance.
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Pointless overkill? Ask those people in New Orleans what happens when
originals and backups are kept in the same city. I know of several (ex)
businesses that wisely kept their backups in different buildings there... all
were lost.
Ask my friends in Jarrell, Texas (or what's left of them af
A lot of people store their backups in gun safes and fire safes and beleieve
they are, well.. safe. Unfortunately this is not at all true. Fire ratings
on safes are usually referenced to how long before the paper inside ignites...
call it 451 F. Hard drives these days have their bit densit
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:47:12 -0500, Robert Vassar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I backup to a USB hard disk. I plug it in, backup, unplug it, de-
>cable and park it in a filing cabinet. The disk spends 99.99% of
>it's life powered off. It should last a decade or more like this,
>but I buy a
not see
my C: drive. It has my start up info and WINDOWS on it.
Bruce
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From: "Neon John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Whil
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Mark Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Any backup that is stored in the same city as the original (some would say
> within 100 miles of the city) is NOT a backup. It is just a disk waiting for
> a (real) disaster. No fire proof safe, baggie, etc is a substit
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:51:35 -0400, "Bruce Lanning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In regard to the below info, I downloaded xxclone and it does appear to be
>the type of backup program that I have been looking for, BUT I can not get
>my C: drive to come up in the source or the target window. I am
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:30:33 +, Mark Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Any backup that is stored in the same city as the original (some would say
>within 100 miles of the city) is NOT a backup. It is just a disk waiting for
>a (real) disaster. No fire proof safe, baggie, etc is a substi
Never been a fan of clone backups, unless it's a primary server and you have
identical machines available. As for backups in distant cities or protected
storage vaults, I'd sorta think that depends on what you really need...
Another issue with clone backups of system drives, is that I've seen more
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:34:11 +, Mark Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Pointless overkill? Ask those people in New Orleans what happens when
>originals and backups are kept in the same city. I know of several (ex)
>businesses that wisely kept their backups in different buildings there...
- Original Message -
From: "Neon John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:34:11
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The silliness in your "advice" is that you offered up one of the most extreme
> "solutions" as generic advice and said that anything less was no backup at all
> or something to that effect even though you don't know my or any
There have certainly been some amusing replies. My only point was
that if it you are storing stuff on "spinning rust", you can't call
it a backup if it's still spinning. Power it off and de-cable it.
How much further you go after that to protect it depends on your risk
requirements.
Robert Vassar said:
> There have certainly been some amusing replies. My only point was
> that if it you are storing stuff on "spinning rust", you can't call
> it a backup if it's still spinning. Power it off and de-cable it.
> How much further you go after that to protect it depends on your risk
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:04:07 -0400, "phil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"tell me what risk I'm exposed to"
>An angry wife !
She and my (former) best friend ran away about 5 years ago. Thankfully. :-)
John
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Hi:
I haven't been reading my email for a few months while I'm out of the
country but happened on this one while doing something else.
This is a subject where I have years of practical experience. Key Point:
In my experience the only backup that you can trust is one where you use
it immediately!
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:17:06 -0700, "Chris Kuethe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Might wanna keep an eye on the DVD's. I hear the dyes aren't quite as
>stable and long-lived as the manufacturers claim. I've heard rumors of
>discs being stored undisturbed in safety-deposit boxes for 5yrs
>starting t
- Original Message -
From: "Neon John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:04:
Wife: Maybe he really IS your best friend. :)
Powerful lock: We have a big, old house safe
that has stopped opening to the combination
(the original factory combination). I'm guessing
corrosion; debating whether to call a locksmith.
Inaccessibility: We're about a half mile from
an interst
Neon John wrote:
> This is one of those areas that sink my confidence in predictive modeling and
> accelerated aging - if it could go any lower.
>
> My collection of data CDs, mostly digitized vinyl music and cassette-based
> audio books plus various specialized backup, number in the thousands, man
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:55:42 -0400, Mike Naruta AA8K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Wife: Maybe he really IS your best friend. :)
Probably so. Actually I had a great marriage for 25 of the 27 years. Then
menopause hit with a vengeance. I sure am glad I'm an outie instead of an
innie. I'd not
John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:51:35 -0400, "Bruce Lanning"
> <[EMAIL PROTE
Hi Robert:
I tried to comment on this using another computer and think it did not get
posted.
The only backup that's trustworthy is one that's tested to confirm that it
works. For example if you clone your C: drive to a new hard drive then swap
hard drives. The removed C: drive becomes the b
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