Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Drop in frequency = mass increase. Mass is moving on to the crystal as time goes on. Since the package (hopefully) is sealed, there are a fairly limited number of ways to do that. 1) The case of the crystal was more dirty than the blank when things were sealed, equilibrium is to move to

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread Alan Melia
Garland' 4cx2...@muohio.edu Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 3:26 AM Subject: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad? Group, Jim Garland on the boatanch...@theporch.com list asked about crystals: A 22.5MHz crystal (HC-5 case) in my homebrew receiver, built about forty years ago, no longer oscillates

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi From a number of radios I've torn crystals out of and looked at: 1) The blank is broken / cracked. Most likely the radio got dropped somewhere along the line. Just like that stone hit on your windshield (on two cars at the moment), the crack can start small and propagate. Time from impact

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread Shawn Tayler
Very interesting Bob Thanks. It brings to mind an annoying issue I run into from time to time. VCXO 12.8 Mhz used as a reference in communications gear. Most of the gear is roughly 10 years old and of similar make, both mobile and portable styles. They all are dropping in operating

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread Shawn Tayler
And sorry about the typos! Still getting used to this touch screen! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2011, at 19:47, Shawn Tayler sh...@xmtservices.net wrote: Very interesting Bob Thanks. It brings to mind an annoying issue I run into from time to time. VCXO 12.8 Mhz used as a reference

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Shawn Tayler sh...@xmtservices.net wrote: My question is what is the process in the aging if the crystals that causes this drop in frequency?  I understand it may be mechanical but the level if vibration the radios are exposed to varies greatly and there does

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread jimlux
On 2/14/11 7:47 PM, Shawn Tayler wrote: Very interesting Bob Thanks. It brings to mind an annoying issue I run into from time to time. VCXO 12.8 Mhz used as a reference in communications gear. Most of the gear is roughly 10 years old and of similar make, both mobile and portable styles.

[time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-13 Thread Bill Hawkins
Group, Jim Garland on the boatanch...@theporch.com list asked about crystals: A 22.5MHz crystal (HC-5 case) in my homebrew receiver, built about forty years ago, no longer oscillates. It seems to be purely an age-related problem. It is in a standard solid state circuit which bandswitches six

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-13 Thread gary
Two authors come to mind regarding crystal oscillators: Eric Vittoz and Marvin Ferking. Eric Vittoz is the more modern of the two. His writings tend towards long term stability of crystal oscillators. Basically, most designs put too much energy into the crystal, which he claims wears it out.

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 14/02/11 04:26, Bill Hawkins wrote: Group, Jim Garland on the boatanch...@theporch.com list asked about crystals: A 22.5MHz crystal (HC-5 case) in my homebrew receiver, built about forty years ago, no longer oscillates. It seems to be purely an age-related problem. It is in a standard solid