[time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2005-10-23 Thread Tom Clark, W3IWI
Brooke (no relation) commented Hi Richard: > > It's my understanding that this optimization can be done by changing the > oscillator power level at the crystal. > > In the case of the 32768 Hz watch crystal, it must be run a very low power > and it has a very low aging rate when compared to

Re: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2005-10-24 Thread Tom Clark, W3IWI
Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Tom: This is the first I've heard about the cracks. Can you point me to some literature about it so I can do my homework. Thanks, Brooke Brooke -- My comment last nite was an attempted simplification/synthesis of Vig's topics --- here are some re

RE: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2005-10-26 Thread Richard \(Rick\) Karlquist \(N6RK\)
>It has nothing to do with "throwing off atoms". A Xtal is actually a This only happens in very low quality crystals that have impurities on the surface. >Going in the other direction, the mechanical resonant frequency >changes with time because, as the xtal vibrates, microscopic crac

RE: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2005-10-26 Thread jim_johnson
9:21 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging Brooke (no relation) commented Hi Richard: > > It's my understanding that this optimization can be done by changing > the oscillator power level at the crystal. > > In the case of the 32768 Hz watch

RE: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2005-10-27 Thread Marco Bruno
At 22.20 26/10/2005, you wrote: Hi, I posed this question to Jack Kusters, now retired from HP/Agilent. He and Charles Adams commercialized the SC-cut crystal for HP in the 10811A oscillator. He gave me permission to post his response on the reflector. Jim Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim an

Re: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2005-10-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Richard \(Ric k\) Karlquist \(N6RK\)" writes: Richard, I've browsed the E1398 papers and was left with one question which I couldn't immediately find an answer to: Is the cylindrical design meant for use in one orientation only (axis orthogonal to temperature gra

Re: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2005-10-27 Thread Rick Karlquist
Good question. The internal insulation is foam, which should preclude convection (which is the only process which is gravity/ orientation sensitive. External convection should have negligible effect. We used to test these things in environmental chambers with big fans blowing air around and with

Re: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2005-10-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rick Karlquist" writes: >BTW, the intended application was as a card in a VXI cage, etc. >Many of those cages have the card in a vertical orientation. But did you test it both in horizontal an vertical orientation ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog

Re: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2005-10-27 Thread Rick Karlquist
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > But did you test it both in horizontal an vertical orientation ? > I am not aware of any vertical testing, although the burn racks may have been vertical. The end application had random orientation and no one reported any orientation dependence. Rick Karlquist

Re: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2005-10-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rick Karlquist" writes: >I am not aware of any vertical testing, although the burn racks >may have been vertical. The end application had random orientation >and no one reported any orientation dependence. Well, that answers my question then: I must have overloo

Re: [time-nuts] Xtal Oscillator Aging

2007-10-20 Thread Luis Miguel Brugarolas
At Sunday, October 23, 2005 9:21 PM, Tom Clark wrote: >   Going in the other direction, the mechanical resonant frequency >   changes with time because, as the xtal vibrates, microscopic cracks in >   the structure of the quartz break apart. Running at high power makes >   the crystal generate thes