Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The commonly heard comments about common mode drift very much pre-date the 5071… Bob On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Richard Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: On 2013-08-27 13:35, Florian Teply wrote: No, HP did not make the long tube Cs standards at NIST (as the NIST guys always

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-27 Thread Florian Teply
Am Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:56:51 -0400 schrieb Bob Camp li...@rtty.us: Hi On Aug 26, 2013, at 2:01 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 08/25/2013 08:25 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The most common approach is to *assume* that the two devices are not correlated.

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-27 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-08-27 13:35, Florian Teply wrote: No, HP did not make the long tube Cs standards at NIST (as the NIST guys always love to point out) and they are very different animals than the ones you can buy. So, the international definition of the second has always been safe from manufacturer

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There was a point in time where HP made a *lot* of the Cs standards out there. Bob On Aug 26, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Hi, On 08/26/2013 01:56 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi On Aug 26, 2013, at 2:01 AM, Magnus Danielson

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-26 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/25/2013 08:25 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The most common approach is to *assume* that the two devices are not correlated. SInce it's a negative, you really can't prove it. What you can do is to disprove it by finding and documenting a correlation. ADEV it's self has a confidence level

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Aug 26, 2013, at 2:01 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 08/25/2013 08:25 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The most common approach is to *assume* that the two devices are not correlated. SInce it's a negative, you really can't prove it. What you can do is to

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-26 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 08/26/2013 01:56 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi On Aug 26, 2013, at 2:01 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Exactly. As you have three devices, measuring them pair-wise you get three measures and three un-knowns, and you can untangle the stability of each individual.

[time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-25 Thread Frank Stellmach
Hello time-nuts, The NIST paper describes the estimation of the stability of one Yb clock by simply comparing two equivalent clocks, and dividing by sqrt(2). This is obviously a common Metrological Practise, every time if something better is not existent or not available. This practise can

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The most common approach is to *assume* that the two devices are not correlated. SInce it's a negative, you really can't prove it. What you can do is to disprove it by finding and documenting a correlation. ADEV it's self has a confidence level based on the number of samples taken. What

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:47 AM Subject: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure? Hello time-nuts, The NIST paper describes the estimation of the stability of one Yb clock by simply comparing two equivalent clocks, and dividing by sqrt(2). This is obviously a common