Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-06 Thread cook michael
I had a quick look at the IEEE-1355 HIC bus on which spacewire is based and it seems that although the clock is not on the wire, it can be reconstructed as an XOR of the strobe and data. So a passthrough connector sampling those lines (differential) with RS-644 receivers and a quad NAND may

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/02/11 19:43, x...@darksmile.net wrote: I wonder if there is any value to performing a FFT on the data. Not really. The added noise is clearly visible in the time domain and does not form a very meaningful view in the frequency domain. With a suitable pre-processing a histogram tells

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/02/11 07:14, Hal Murray wrote: I've got a system at work with an internal clock oscillator that I want to get some statistics on, but there's no direct visibility for the oscillator, nor do I have a convenient test point that I can probe. ... Fun problem. Thanks for tossing it out.

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-06 Thread jimlux
On 2/5/11 10:14 PM, Hal Murray wrote: I've got a system at work with an internal clock oscillator that I want to get some statistics on, but there's no direct visibility for the oscillator, nor do I have a convenient test point that I can probe. ... Fun problem. Thanks for tossing it out.

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-06 Thread jimlux
On 2/6/11 12:37 AM, cook michael wrote: I had a quick look at the IEEE-1355 HIC bus on which spacewire is based and it seems that although the clock is not on the wire, it can be reconstructed as an XOR of the strobe and data. So a passthrough connector sampling those lines (differential) with

[time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-05 Thread jimlux
Here's an interesting problem.. I've got a system at work with an internal clock oscillator that I want to get some statistics on, but there's no direct visibility for the oscillator, nor do I have a convenient test point that I can probe. I can divide it down by an arbitrary number to

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4d4d6bf6.8070...@earthlink.net, jimlux writes: First, this isn't that different from the analysis used in the NTP protocol, so you should read that with an open mind. Or, given that the interval between ticks is one of 28 or 29 discrete values If you can reliably bin your

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-05 Thread jimlux
On 2/5/11 7:30 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message4d4d6bf6.8070...@earthlink.net, jimlux writes: First, this isn't that different from the analysis used in the NTP protocol, so you should read that with an open mind. That is what got me started thinking it was doable at all. (PTP 1588 as

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/02/11 16:25, jimlux wrote: Here's an interesting problem.. I've got a system at work with an internal clock oscillator that I want to get some statistics on, but there's no direct visibility for the oscillator, nor do I have a convenient test point that I can probe. I can divide it down

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-05 Thread jimlux
On 2/5/11 8:11 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 05/02/11 16:25, jimlux wrote: Here's an interesting problem.. I've got a system at work with an internal clock oscillator that I want to get some statistics on, but there's no direct visibility for the oscillator, nor do I have a convenient test

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/02/11 17:30, jimlux wrote: On 2/5/11 8:11 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: What you can do is you generate your tick clock at any division greater than 7*14 (if I understood the timing correctly). Say you divide your clock with 200 (about 3 us period if I got it right). Then you would get

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-05 Thread xaos
I wonder if there is any value to performing a FFT on the data. -GKH Quoting jimlux jim...@earthlink.net: Here's an interesting problem.. I've got a system at work with an internal clock oscillator that I want to get some statistics on, but there's no direct visibility for the oscillator,

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-05 Thread Hal Murray
I've got a system at work with an internal clock oscillator that I want to get some statistics on, but there's no direct visibility for the oscillator, nor do I have a convenient test point that I can probe. ... Fun problem. Thanks for tossing it out. I see two approaches. Are there