Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Randy D. Hunt
On 5/11/2012 6:57 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 5/11/12 5:54 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: Go to your local building and planning commission, and get yourself a copy of the topographical map for your address. They are cheap, and are the standard by which everyone (insurance, zoning, ...) determines your flood

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Randy D. Hunt
On 5/11/2012 6:46 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 5/11/12 5:23 AM, swingbyte wrote: s disappointing! I need to measure the height of my house floor to be above the flood plane contour. I might have a look at some dted from work. Might have to pay a real surveyor to measure the height datum. Thanks for al

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Chuck Harris
The FEMA maps didn't exist the last time I did this. I would think it likely that the building and planning commission office for his area would have the appropriate maps, as establishing that the proposed house's location is outside of the the 100 year flood plane, is a necessary check mark in g

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/11/12 5:54 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: Go to your local building and planning commission, and get yourself a copy of the topographical map for your address. They are cheap, and are the standard by which everyone (insurance, zoning, ...) determines your flood plane exposure. I have been infor

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/11/12 5:23 AM, swingbyte wrote: s disappointing! I need to measure the height of my house floor to be above the flood plane contour. I might have a look at some dted from work. Might have to pay a real surveyor to measure the height datum. Thanks for all the info though guys for that, yo

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Chuck Harris
Go to your local building and planning commission, and get yourself a copy of the topographical map for your address. They are cheap, and are the standard by which everyone (insurance, zoning, ...) determines your flood plane exposure. -Chuck Harris ... Well that's disappointing! I need to me

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread swingbyte
On 11/05/2012 00:44, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Hi Tim, The answer is NO. Even though decent accuracy can be had with long averaging. It was discussed a few years ago on this list. -- Björn Hi all, Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/12 10:46 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: "mean sea level" is not meaningful any more. What shape is the ocean and what if you live in Kanas? How to extrapolate the ocean level to Kanas? The answer is to use a model of some kind mean sea level, these days, is a name for a particular hei

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/12 9:33 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:01:48 +0200 b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 22:50:15 +1000 swingbyte wrote: Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abi

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/12 9:09 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: There is an error in your quoted text. The author must have though there was a difference between WGS84 and "true sea level". No that is not true. If you paper map that you bought from US Gological Survey says "WGS84" on it then THAT is the definit

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/12 7:40 AM, Arthur Dent wrote: I've found significant altitude errors using a GPS and the following quotes found on the internet will explain why. From my experience of hiking in the mountains of New Hampshire an aneroid altimeter will vary with atmospheric pressure about 200 feet for a c

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Arthur Dent wrote: >>Chris Albertson albertson.chris at gmail.com > >   I'm not sure what point you're trying to make but it is a fact, as the OP > pointed > out, that there are differences between the empirical data of 'true > elevation' and > what various GPS

[time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Arthur Dent
>Chris Albertson albertson.chris at gmail.com >There is an error in your quoted text.   The author must have though >there was a difference between WGS84 and "true sea level".   No that >is not true.   If you paper map that you bought from US Gological >Survey says "WGS84" on it then THAT is the d

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:01:48 +0200 b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: > > On Thu, 10 May 2012 22:50:15 +1000 > > swingbyte wrote: > > > >> Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise > >> geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities > >> extend to it

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Chris Albertson
There is an error in your quoted text. The author must have though there was a difference between WGS84 and "true sea level". No that is not true. If you paper map that you bought from US Gological Survey says "WGS84" on it then THAT is the definition of sea level on that map. The altitudes

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread bg
Attilla, > On Thu, 10 May 2012 22:50:15 +1000 > swingbyte wrote: > >> Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise >> geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities >> extend to its precision in position output? I have a thunderbolt and >> one

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Michael Perrett
Not for survey type accuracy (sub-meter, short measurement time). The average (over a 48 hour period) was pretty good (about 1.5 meters, RMS), but the reading over any 1 minute period can be off as much as 3-5 meters, satellite geometry dependent. I Have two units with good antennas, mounted roug

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread bg
Hi Tim, The answer is NO. Even though decent accuracy can be had with long averaging. It was discussed a few years ago on this list. -- Björn > Hi all, > Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise > geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing ab

[time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Arthur Dent
I've found significant altitude errors using a GPS and the following quotes found on the internet will explain why. From my experience of hiking in the mountains of New Hampshire an aneroid altimeter will vary with atmospheric pressure about 200 feet for a change of 0.2" of mercury so you have

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread mike cook
Le 10/05/2012 15:51, Jim Lux a écrit : On 5/10/12 6:42 AM, mike cook wrote: A man with only one GPS Surveys from different receivers I have. All taken at the same height from prolonged surveys. WGS84 datum. Oncore UT+ A 207,62m Oncore UT+ B 209,24m Z3801A 180,72m Oncore VP A 229,95m T

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/12 6:42 AM, mike cook wrote: A man with only one GPS Surveys from different receivers I have. All taken at the same height from prolonged surveys. WGS84 datum. Oncore UT+ A 207,62m Oncore UT+ B 209,24m Z3801A 180,72m Oncore VP A 229,95m TBolt 207.00m That's a pretty big vari

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread mike cook
A man with only one GPS Surveys from different receivers I have. All taken at the same height from prolonged surveys. WGS84 datum. Oncore UT+ A 207,62m Oncore UT+ B 209,24m Z3801A 180,72m Oncore VP A 229,95m TBolt 207.00m Le 10/05/2012 14:5

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/12 6:08 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 05/10/2012 02:50 PM, swingbyte wrote: Hi all, Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities extend to its precision in position output? I have a thunder

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 10 May 2012 22:50:15 +1000 swingbyte wrote: > Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise > geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities > extend to its precision in position output? I have a thunderbolt and > one of those conical

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread David
sion of precise time and frequency measurement >Subject: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy > >Hi all, >Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise >geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities >extend to its

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/10/2012 02:50 PM, swingbyte wrote: Hi all, Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities extend to its precision in position output? I have a thunderbolt and one of those conical white aerials f

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Rob Kimberley
swingbyte Sent: 10 May 2012 13:50 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy Hi all, Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise t

[time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread swingbyte
Hi all, Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities extend to its precision in position output? I have a thunderbolt and one of those conical white aerials from china and would like to know if