Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-05 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Can you re-transmit on a nearby frequency without blasting the receiver off the air? No not if it is in the same band, filters are never that good. I thought the OP had several bands available. So if this all needs to

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-05 Thread Scott McGrath
Think OP has the Choice of 3 bands Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Can you re-transmit on a nearby frequency without blasting the receiver off the

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-04 Thread James Peroulas
About this subject, are you concerned with multipath? The signal from two of the basestations might arrive over a line-of-sight path whereas for the third basestation the signal might bounce around before arriving... JP - To time experts/EE's. I would like to

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-04 Thread Rick Harold
Yes, we would need to address that as best we can. I thought of using two different frequencies to combat that to provide additional data. There is also the aspect that the mobile device is not expected to move too fast so if we see a big change we look at it with suspicion. Most likely one

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-04 Thread Chris Albertson
I think for best timing rather then use a ping Where the device gets a signal, waits then sends a reply it would be better to re-transmit the signal in real time. So the base station send some waveform like carrier that is modulated by a saw tooth wave. The remote device simply re-transmits

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-04 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: I think for best timing rather then use a ping Where the device gets a signal, waits then sends a reply it would be better to re-transmit the signal in real time. So the base station send some waveform like carrier that is modulated by a saw tooth wave. The

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-01 Thread Hal Murray
rickhar...@gmail.com said: I would like to triangulate a position of a device which moves using 3 fixed positions devices of known location. The idea is to have these operate on 915mhz or 434mhz or 2.4ghz or appropriate frequency. I'd like a range of 150 feet or better and accuracy of 3

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-01 Thread Azelio Boriani
and even a more crazy idea: use a phasing array for the directional antenna. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: rickhar...@gmail.com said: I would like to triangulate a position of a device which moves using 3 fixed positions devices of known

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-01 Thread Azelio Boriani
Also the fixed stations can not have OCXO? On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Rick Harold rickhar...@gmail.com wrote: To time experts/EE's. I would like to triangulate a position of a device which moves using 3 fixed positions devices of known location. The idea is to have these operate on

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-01 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Rick, You would do better putting a small GPS receiver in the mobile and transmit with a 2.4 GHz Blue tooth transmitter. The GPS devices can be gotten very small (your thumb would just about cover it up). They are also very light and draw very little power. That would save you two

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-01 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Rick, You would do better putting a small GPS receiver in the mobile and transmit with a 2.4 GHz Blue tooth transmitter. The GPS devices can be gotten very small (your thumb would just about cover it up). They are also very light and draw very little power. That would save you two

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-01 Thread Stefan Heinzmann
Can the base stations be interconnected via cable? In that case, wouldn't it suffice to have the mobile device send an unmodulated carrier of low enough frequency, and compare the phase between the receiving base stations, taking the (known) cable delays into account? Cheers Stefan Rick

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-01 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/31/13 8:37 PM, Rick Harold wrote: To time experts/EE's. I would like to triangulate a position of a device which moves using 3 fixed positions devices of known location. The idea is to have these operate on 915mhz or 434mhz or 2.4ghz or appropriate frequency. These two type of devices

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-01 Thread J. L. Trantham
...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harold Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:37 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys To time experts/EE's. I would like to triangulate a position of a device which moves using 3 fixed positions devices

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-01 Thread Oz-in-DFW
On 2/1/2013 3:45 AM, Hal Murray wrote: rickhar...@gmail.com said: I would like to triangulate a position of a device which moves using 3 fixed positions devices of known location. The idea is to have these operate on 915mhz or 434mhz or 2.4ghz or appropriate frequency. I'd like a range of

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys (Hal Murray)

2013-02-01 Thread johncroos
To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys Message-ID: CAODR2TDuMSpOr8JYvjMm-QRnRhM8sxYGkY=vrn6yttk5t3t...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To time experts/EE's. I would like to triangulate a position of a device which moves using 3 fixed

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys (Hal Murray)

2013-02-01 Thread Bob Camp
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys (Hal Murray) Hello Hal - I spent a lot of my RF engineering career in related areas, including radar, EW, and spread spectrum timing systems. Since the distance is short and the cost is an issue you may wish to consider an analog system

[time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-01-31 Thread Rick Harold
To time experts/EE's. I would like to triangulate a position of a device which moves using 3 fixed positions devices of known location. The idea is to have these operate on 915mhz or 434mhz or 2.4ghz or appropriate frequency. These two type of devices (fixed and mobile) are all under my control