Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22

2006-04-21 Thread Robert Lutwak
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Business) (978) 927-4099 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Personal) (339) 927-7896 Mobile - Original Message - From: "Normand Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest,

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22

2006-04-20 Thread Normand Martel
Help me! I need explanation! Robert Lutwak wrote: >With that said, the Perkin-Elmer rubidium on the IIR >satellites is an outstanding clock, unquestionably the >best rubidium ever manufactured for any application, >with short-term stability an order-of-magnitude better >than the IIF cesiums. The

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22

2006-04-20 Thread Rob Kimberley
21 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22 So Loran isn't really dead yet! John At 03:34 AM 4/20/2006, you wrote: >The current definition of the second is based on Caesium, as that was >what was the best then. Howev

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22

2006-04-20 Thread John Day
I do know that at one stage during the late 80's Loran-C gear became very well priced compared to the then emerging and expensive GPS gear, so many sailors bought them. I would not be surprised if a lot of coastal sailing was done with Loran in the navigators station and GPS in the hand in the

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22

2006-04-20 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Day write : s: : >So Loran isn't really dead yet! : : Not quite. : : The draft European Radio Navigation plan shows that Loran-C gives : 22% of the benefit for 7% of

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22

2006-04-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Day write s: >So Loran isn't really dead yet! Not quite. The draft European Radio Navigation plan shows that Loran-C gives 22% of the benefit for 7% of the money. But who knows if that translates to political decisions in its favour. -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22

2006-04-20 Thread John Day
il 2006 06:59 >To: time-nuts@febo.com >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22 > > >VE2VM commented > >But Isn't Cesium drift-free? Since the SI second is standardized as de >duration of 9192631770 oscillation of the hyperfine transition of the ato

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22

2006-04-20 Thread Robert Lutwak
At the risk of being accused of "propaganda:" Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >They last longer. and Tom Clark, K3IO (ex W3IWI) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >The Cesium clocks in GPS have been less reliable (probably because > they are more complicated) than the Rb cl

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22

2006-04-19 Thread Tom Clark, K3IO (ex W3IWI)
VE2VM commented But Isn't Cesium drift-free? Since the SI second is standardized as de duration of 9192631770 oscillation of the hyperfine transition of the atom 133Cs? If Cesium drifts, theren should be a more formal definition of the second (Such as density, maximum C-field or level of puri