Re: [time-nuts] Allan variance Vs Plain Old Accuracy

2008-02-25 Thread Angus
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:00:32 -, you wrote: Hi All, This comment is bound to get you all going. Maybe I'm being stupid, but why does everyone use Allan Variance and not plan old accuracy? I am very familiar with David Allan's full article on Allan Variance. However Allan Variance isn't the

Re: [time-nuts] Allan variance Vs Plain Old Accuracy

2008-02-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
Something I rather miss is some good old phase or frequency plots - especially if done at different timescales - which seem to be becoming rather less common now. As well as having a plot of ADEV or its relations, seeing what the reference is doing and when is useful, and most ADEV plots

Re: [time-nuts] Allan variance Vs Plain Old Accuracy

2008-02-14 Thread Jack Hudler
Steady boys and girls... This discussion would be fun however, I get the feeling it would only supply a marketing department with more copy. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Allan variance Vs Plain Old Accuracy

2008-02-14 Thread Jeremy Bennington
Martyn, The stability of timing systems depends on both the type of fundamental noise processes in a timing distribution system and how the various processes spectrally combined through processes that shape noise such as clock servo loops and measurements system. Consider the noise processes of

Re: [time-nuts] Allan variance Vs Plain Old Accuracy

2008-02-14 Thread Mike S
At 06:00 AM 2/14/2008, Martyn Smith wrote... I have an article on my web site You might want to proof read that again. very gone Allan variance, and there's more. where I compare a OXCO based unit versus my rubidium's unit. Please explain how a counter resolves to .0003 cycles in a one second

Re: [time-nuts] Allan variance Vs Plain Old Accuracy

2008-02-14 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Modern counters have interpolators (now called time to digital converters) that can measure fractions of a cycle. Even the old Agilent 53132, designed 15 years ago, measures any frequency to 12 significant figures in one second. For example, it will display 10 MHz to .1 Hz using a 1 second

Re: [time-nuts] Allan variance Vs Plain Old Accuracy

2008-02-14 Thread Pete
Martyn, I think you're comparing apples to oranges by mixing short term stability of a 10MHz source with long term stability of a time reference, since different processes are responsible for the observed variances. Your data suggests that the OXCO device you've characterized is orders of

Re: [time-nuts] Allan variance Vs Plain Old Accuracy

2008-02-14 Thread Mike S
At 10:56 AM 2/14/2008, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote... Modern counters have interpolators (now called time to digital converters) that can measure fractions of a cycle. It appears he used an SRS620, which despite being called a counter, really measures a time interval, and then computes the