Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-15 Thread Morris Odell
Hi all, Brooke Clark wrote: > In the HP 5100 Frequency Synthesizer they use a heater on the SRD in order to > increase it's > lifetime so that the 3 MHz drive will generate the needed harmonics. > http://www.prc68.com/I/HP5100.shtml These > assemblies are no longer available and getting an SR

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-15 Thread paul swed
Bill Now this discussion gets really interesting. You are doing something and will report results. You have my attention. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 12:27 PM, BIll Ezell wrote: > I'm amazed at how much traffic this has generated. > Thanks Brooke, you're exactly on-topic as usual

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-15 Thread BIll Ezell
I'm amazed at how much traffic this has generated. Thanks Brooke, you're exactly on-topic as usual. As I said originally, I wanted a quick-and-dirty-and-cheap, and I'm using an SMMD-835 SRD. Making up the test layout tonight. I'm starting with a 100 uA bias on the diode, and a 20 pF diode-to-loa

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-14 Thread David
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:52:28 -0500, you wrote: >On Wed, April 13, 2016 5:32 pm, David wrote: >> Step recovery diodes are very similar in construction to varactor >> diodes so the later can be used in step recovery applications with >> qualification. > >Agilent app note AN1054 discusses using PIN d

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-14 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: The idea with a step recovery diode is that during forward bias the diode stores charge. When the polarity reverses the diode continues to conduct until the charge has been depleted. At that time the diode stops conducting and opens. Suppose this was done using a square wave. The length of

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-14 Thread jimlux
On 4/13/16 7:50 PM, bownes wrote: Maybe a krytron? If you are able to get one anyway. ;) that was my first thought.. or some form of triggered sparkgap Went and looked up the data sheet for a KN6 Their rise time isn't that fast, what sets them apart from other high current switching devices

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-13 Thread Chris Caudle
On Wed, April 13, 2016 5:32 pm, David wrote: > Step recovery diodes are very similar in construction to varactor > diodes so the later can be used in step recovery applications with > qualification. Agilent app note AN1054 discusses using PIN diodes as frequency multipliers. I believe that the PI

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-13 Thread bownes
Maybe a krytron? If you are able to get one anyway. ;) > On Apr 13, 2016, at 18:32, David wrote: > >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:03:03 -0500, you wrote: >> >> ... >> >> If you are building up something, you probably want a SRD (step >> recovery diode) or tunnel diode. But both may be hard to find

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/14/2016 12:32 AM, David wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:03:03 -0500, you wrote: ... If you are building up something, you probably want a SRD (step recovery diode) or tunnel diode. But both may be hard to find and expensive these days. Step recovery diodes are very similar in construct

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-13 Thread David
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:03:03 -0500, you wrote: >... > >If you are building up something, you probably want a SRD (step >recovery diode) or tunnel diode. But both may be hard to find and >expensive these days. Step recovery diodes are very similar in construction to varactor diodes so the later c

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-13 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 13.04.2016 um 07:03 schrieb Bill Byrom: I agree with earlier comments that the Analog Devices SiGe voltage comparators appear to be a good choice, with 37 ps typical rise/fall (20%/80%): http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ADCMP580_581_582.pdf The evaluation boar

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread Bill Byrom
The Tektronix 067-0681-01 was widely used in the 1970's and 1980's for oscilloscope calibration. It produces a <125 ps risetime edge using a tunnel diode. But it was designed for use with a large driving voltage slow pulse (60 to 100 V p-p): http://w140.com/tek_067-0681-01.pdf http://w140.com/tekwi

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread Rob Sherwood .
Oops, sorry I didn't realize you needed 150 ps rise time. Rob Sent from my iPad > On Apr 12, 2016, at 6:02 PM, "jimlux" wrote: > > > >> On 4/12/16 1:30 PM, BIll Ezell wrote: >> (cross-posted to volt-nuts) >> After paying only limited attention to this topic, I suddenly have a >> need for a pu

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread Rob Sherwood .
I have both HP and Tektronix pulse generators. Neither are expensive and both have been very reliable. Since I need some really slow rep rates for receiver testing, I use my Tek 115 triggered with an HP 8904A synthesizer. Rob, NC0B Sent from my iPad > On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:05 PM, "Logan Cum

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:36:54 AM Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > Am 12.04.2016 um 22:30 schrieb BIll Ezell: > > (cross-posted to volt-nuts) > > After paying only limited attention to this topic, I suddenly have a > > need for a pulse generator that has <150 ps risetime and a pulse width > > of at

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~hajimiri/pdf/non-linear.transmission.pdf The above indicates how cascaded NLTLs using CMOS processes can be used to construct NLTLs that sharpen both edges of a pulse. 2.5ps fwhm impulses can also be produced. Bruce On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 04:42:06 PM jimlux wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 12.04.2016 um 22:30 schrieb BIll Ezell: (cross-posted to volt-nuts) After paying only limited attention to this topic, I suddenly have a need for a pulse generator that has <150 ps risetime and a pulse width of at least 2 ns. 100mv amplitude or more is fine. I've looked at the classic Jim W

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread jimlux
On 4/12/16 1:30 PM, BIll Ezell wrote: (cross-posted to volt-nuts) After paying only limited attention to this topic, I suddenly have a need for a pulse generator that has <150 ps risetime and a pulse width of at least 2 ns. 100mv amplitude or more is fine. I've looked at the classic Jim Williams

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread Logan Cummings
Hi Bill, Lots of resources out there on EEVblog forums and elsewhere. One nice alternative to the avalanche pulser is a very fast comparator like the ADCMP580 from Analog Devices. Generate a pulse of whatever width you want with slower gear, and have the comparator sharpen the edges. See here

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread Alexander Pummer
Hi Bill check out the classical fast rise time pulse generator the mercury whetted relay, with a good lay-out you could get easily 50psec rise time, but rather use an SMA than BNC. You could look for an old Tektronix pulse generator used that principle 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 4/12/2016 1:30 PM, BIll

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread Alan Melia
Bill, Avalanche pulse gens only require high voltage because of the high VBRcbo and the gain of normal NPN transistors. I cant find the reference now it might have been a 1970s Ham Radio but if you use the same circuit as Jim but put an NPN "upside down" that is emitter where the collector is in