Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/30/2010 06:14 AM, jimlux wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Doppler effects is much more important, and it's effects is being treated regularly, such as when talking in the GSM phone while driving the car... Hmm.. I think crystal oscillator frequency variation in the phone is a bigger

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-30 Thread jimlux
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/30/2010 06:14 AM, jimlux wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Doppler effects is much more important, and it's effects is being treated regularly, such as when talking in the GSM phone while driving the car... Hmm.. I think crystal oscillator frequency variation in

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-30 Thread Oz-in-DFW
On 9/30/2010 8:43 AM, jimlux wrote: how stable? The parts are generally ~ 1 ppm over temp and another ppm or two aging. I'm sort of curious, I wonder what sort of temperature range cellphones are expected to really work over.. depends on the vendor to some extent. Not all standards spec

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-29 Thread Jeffrey Okamitsu
Actually, as I think about this, it will be impossible to calibrate another device unless one knows the vertical displacement between the standard and the DUT AND a suitably adequate (read: easy to use) algorithm for accounting for the effect of gravity can be developed. Jeff  Jeffrey K.

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-29 Thread Jeffrey Okamitsu
29, 2010 12:55:59 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement Hi, See the following: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100923/full/news.2010.487.html Of course, we're probably a few years away from seeing

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/29/2010 06:56 PM, Jeffrey Okamitsu wrote: Actually, as I think about this, it will be impossible to calibrate another device unless one knows the vertical displacement between the standard and the DUT AND a suitably adequate (read: easy to use) algorithm for accounting for the effect of

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-29 Thread Jeffrey Okamitsu
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement On 09/29/2010 06:56 PM, Jeffrey Okamitsu wrote: Actually, as I think about this, it will be impossible to calibrate another device unless one knows the vertical displacement

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-29 Thread Hal Murray
More importantly, does this impose an upper limit on data transport speed over networks, in particular wireless networks?  If and when one produces the network technology that would demand the accuracy and precision of these new standards, if one object is moving relative to the other, 

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/29/2010 07:17 PM, Jeffrey Okamitsu wrote: More importantly, does this impose an upper limit on data transport speed over networks, in particular wireless networks? No, not really. If and when one produces the network technology that would demand the accuracy and precision of these new

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-29 Thread jimlux
Jeffrey Okamitsu wrote: More importantly, does this impose an upper limit on data transport speed over networks, in particular wireless networks? If and when one produces the network technology that would demand the accuracy and precision of these new standards, if one object is moving