Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It’s “happy” either way (as in, it will accept the pulse). The stability will be degraded due to hanging bridges if you don’t have sawtooth correction. Bob > On Oct 12, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > > kb...@n1k.org said: >> A $25 Ref-0 with the same GPS and a (now) documented M

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-12 Thread Daniel Watson
Hi, The REF-0 will accept a PPS signal from a non-timing GPS. I use the u-blox NEO-6M for a lot of my testing. That module can be had in the $12 range online. I have also gotten the REF-0 to lock to a Venus GPS and an FE-5680B rubidium standard. Of course, using a less stable PPS signal will g

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-12 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: > A $25 Ref-0 with the same GPS and a (now) documented MCU will do the same > thing as any other GPSDO. Does anybody know if the Ref-0 expects a clean PPS from the Ref-1 OCXO, or is it happy with what comes out of a typical GPS unit? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-10 Thread Clint Jay
I'd second that, sounds interesting and plenty of accuracy for the project I'm thinking of. On 10 Oct 2015 15:00, "Alex Pummer" wrote: > Hi Bert, > where could I get more inf on on that project? > 73 > KJ6UHN > Alex > > On 10/10/2015 4:23 AM, Bert Kehren via time-nuts wrote: > >> We did a GPS PL

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-10 Thread Alex Pummer
Hi Bert, where could I get more inf on on that project? 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 10/10/2015 4:23 AM, Bert Kehren via time-nuts wrote: We did a GPS PLL using ublox M7 not for time nuts but for Hams no u processors, simple to build with readily available parts with performance of 1 E-10.. Hams still ha

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-10 Thread Bert Kehren via time-nuts
We did a GPS PLL using ublox M7 not for time nuts but for Hams no u processors, simple to build with readily available parts with performance of 1 E-10.. Hams still have get to gether and it would make sense to order the parts. Boards would be less than $ 2 in quantity 10. 5X5 cm board can

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-10 Thread Dave Martindale
(Long-term members of the list can skip this; you've seen it many times before. But it sounds like Clint is new, and could use some basic explanation. I was in his position once too). It sounds like you are assuming that the GPS receiver's internal oscillator is locked to GPS time. In most

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The PPS out of the GPS has a number of issues short term. Without sawtooth correction it likely is hopping and bopping 5 or 10 ns each second. Looked at as frequency, the 1 Hz is +/- many ppb. The “frequency” output inherits this problem and adds the issues associated with pulse drop freque

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Mike Cook
> Le 9 oct. 2015 à 16:16, Clint Jay a écrit : > > I am still learning and want to understand, if the PPS is good then why is > the programmable output bad, as I understand it thus far, the PPS is > derived from the same clock source or have I got that badly wrong? Yes, the same clock, BUT the o

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Graham / KE9H
There is a lot of jitter on a GPS 1 PPS output. You need a big "flywheel" to smooth out the jitter errors. GPS modules only have room for small flywheels. --- Graham On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Clint Jay wrote: > I am still learning and want to understand, if the PPS is good then why is > t

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Bert Kehren via time-nuts
The 1 pps and the output frequencies are all derived from the same XO in the module. Up to 7 the difference in a T is that the saw tooth correction factor is brought out for correction purposes . 7 has a much higher XO frequency than the 5 so the saw tooth is smaller. So use a ublox 7 if you

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Clint Jay
I am still learning and want to understand, if the PPS is good then why is the programmable output bad, as I understand it thus far, the PPS is derived from the same clock source or have I got that badly wrong? On 9 October 2015 at 12:16, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Doing a GPSDO by locking to the

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Doing a GPSDO by locking to the awful 10 MHz output from any of these GPS modules is not going to work very well. Given the very long time constants involved in a GPSDO control loop, doing it without code is going to be pretty difficult. A much easier approach: Grab the GPS PPS and a scop