Re: [time-nuts] What ALL of you Time Nuts really wants for Christmas!

2013-11-18 Thread Rob
I've got one David and for the price they do a reasonable job... I would strongly suggest that for an extra $ 200 you get the TG model ( DSA815TG ) that has the built in tracking generator.. I pretty much use mine for radio work and I would be lost without the tracking generator now... Cheers, Rob.

Re: [time-nuts] What ALL of you Time Nuts really wantsfor Christmas!

2013-11-18 Thread David J Taylor
I've got one David and for the price they do a reasonable job... I would strongly suggest that for an extra $ 200 you get the TG model ( DSA815TG ) that has the built in tracking generator.. I pretty much use mine for radio work and I would be lost without the tracking generator now... Cheers, Rob

Re: [time-nuts] national nc2001 atomic clock on eBay

2013-11-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 18 November 2013 02:41, Bob Camp wrote: > I have paid a lot of money over the years for “stuff”. I’m not in any way > saying that buying “stuff” is a bad idea. If you could make it work, that’s > certainly neat stuff. My only issue here is - what’s this going to do for > somebody? The only

Re: [time-nuts] national nc2001 atomic clock on eBay

2013-11-18 Thread GandalfG8
Extract and rebuild in Acrobat... on it's way back to you:-) Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 18/11/2013 09:44:38 GMT Standard Time, drkir...@gmail.com writes: Anyone know a quick way of reversing the order of the pages in a document?

Re: [time-nuts] What happened tohttp://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/general/pdf ?

2013-11-18 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Hi Tom, Thanks for checking this for me. From where I am I most definitely cannot access the web site - it keeps timing out. But, when I use an online proxy server it works fine. A bit of a hack, but luckily I can still access the material. Cheers, Stephan On 16 November 2013 16:18, Tom Van Ba

Re: [time-nuts] national nc2001 atomic clock on eBay

2013-11-18 Thread Peter Gottlieb
The description made it sound much worse than it was though. I've seen brassboards of ultimately highly successful products which were far worse than that. On 11/18/2013 4:39 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 18 November 2013 02:41, Bob Camp wrote: I have paid a lot of money over the years for

Re: [time-nuts] national nc2001 atomic clock on eBay

2013-11-18 Thread DaveH
Bob Pease was famous for this. https://www.google.com/search?q=bob+pease+desk&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa =X&ei=HkeKUrflDImdiQKnk4C4Ag&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=2133&bih=1239 http://www.philbrickarchive.org/rap.htm http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=28&doc_id=1285208 http://www.ti.com

[time-nuts] LFphoenix still on since last week.

2013-11-18 Thread paul swed
This is one of the longest runs I have seen in a long time. Regards Paul WB8TSL Boston ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2013-11-18 Thread Tom Van Baak
Magnus, I'm going to push back a bit on your mains sampling claim. Mostly, I'd like to see the results of the professional I-Q demodulated gear that you mentioned. Can you post raw data, or a sample plot? I agree that looking at power line voltage with 16- or 24-bits at 1 Msps is going to reve

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2013-11-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Let’s hope Santa does not bring you an X10 power line based remote control system for Christmas…. Bob On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > Magnus, > > I'm going to push back a bit on your mains sampling claim. Mostly, I'd like > to see the results of the professional I-Q de

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2013-11-18 Thread Didier Juges
Tom, Don't confuse everybody with facts, we had a good thread going :) The PicPet is holding its own very well in that application. I am surprised at the effect of the laptop supply. I would have certainly expected effect on phase noise (smaller taus), but not that close to the carrier. Do you

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2013-11-18 Thread Bill Dailey
tom, nice plots. how do you figure out what the contribution of variability vs noise? In other words there is a differential between the "ideal" and the actual a dev curves... is there a way to tease out how much nose contribute to that differential? It does seem to me that there should be far l

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2013-11-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi An “ideal” curve would go to the bottom of the scale as soon as the plot started. Anything that shows on the ADEV curve is by definition noise. The slope of the ADEV curve can help you determine what sort of noise it is. The slope(s) on an modified ADEV curve can do that slightly better. Bo

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2013-11-18 Thread Bill Dailey
I meant ideal at the noise floor of the picPET (i.e in this case the generated 60Hz). On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > An “ideal” curve would go to the bottom of the scale as soon as the plot > started. Anything that shows on the ADEV curve is by definition noise. The >

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2013-11-18 Thread Peter Gottlieb
The power supply contribution is interesting. This might have been a useful tool when a year ago I was playing with some very large inverters on a microgrid. I had one inverter as master (in UF mode) and two others as grid-connected slaves in PQ mode. The first slave would come online just fi

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2013-11-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There is no way to come up with the noise floor of the picPET from that plot. In fact coming up with the floor of a single channel device like the picPET is not all that easy. First you need an ideal noise free sine wave signal …. I’ve spent more than a few hours on that particular project w

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2013-11-18 Thread Bill Dailey
ok Bob, Then how do you tease out the difference between the clean generated 60Hz and the mains 60Hz adev curves to determine what is noise and what is the variability in the 60Hz? That is the point of my question not semantics about ideal vs non-ideal. doc On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Bob