Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Grounding/Lightning protection.

2018-06-19 Thread Bill Hawkins
Seems to me that lightning protection for timenuts who put things on masts keeps this from being completely off topic. People who store explosives in earthen bunkers have learned from many years of experience how far away bunkers have to be spaced so than an explosion in one bunker won't affect ot

Re: [time-nuts] HP cesium beam tube life

2018-06-19 Thread paul swed
Well one time nut did. Think its John and a ham K5??? call. He wrote the process up using an external supply. Thats why I have a 3KV supply on the shelf. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 8:43 PM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Yo Dudes! > A while back

[time-nuts] HP cesium beam tube life

2018-06-19 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Yo Dudes! A while back someone asked about the life of a HP Cs tube.  Fromthe HP 5061B Operators Manual:  “2.7  The shelf life of the cesium beam tube I twoyears at storage temperatures up to +35 C (+95F) if the ion pump is operated 2 or 3 times a year.  If the ion pump is not operated to maintai

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Grounding/Lightning protection.

2018-06-19 Thread Scott McGrath
If you see St Elmos fire ‘corona discharge bleed process is working as expected Content by Scott Typos by Siri On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi If indeed a proper ground system *could* be depended on to “bleed off” and prevent discharge things would be *much* simpler. Indeed I

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Grounding/Lightning protection.

2018-06-19 Thread djl
First, I recommend the following: http://www.arrl.org/shop/Grounding-and-Bonding-for-the-Radio-Amateur/ well worth the price. second, bleeding off does not prevent discharge. Many such systems are garbage or worse. "bleeding off" is corona discharge from sharp points submitted to a large electri

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Grounding/Lightning protection.

2018-06-19 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If indeed a proper ground system *could* be depended on to “bleed off” and prevent discharge things would be *much* simpler. Indeed I’ve been on towers and decided to exit that location as the bleed process became audible. It very much does happen. It simply is not a 100% sort of thing. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Grounding/Lightning protection.

2018-06-19 Thread Van Horn, David
About that "cone of protection" http://lightningsafety.com/nlsi_pls/cone-of-protection-myth.html -Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of Bill Hawkins Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 3:16 PM To: o...@ozindfw.net; 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Grounding/Lightning protection.

2018-06-19 Thread Martin VE3OAT
I put my GPS antenna only as high as it needed to be to clear any accumulation of snow in the winter, so it is about 3 feet above the peak of the roof of the house and about 19 feet above ground level. The 8-inch ground-plane under the puck antenna is grounded to my radio ground. No other prec

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Grounding/Lightning protection.

2018-06-19 Thread Scott McGrath
Probably the easiest and most economical grounding system is the halo ground with antenna grounds bonded to the halo and the house ground bonded to the halo as well. The halo conductor sizing is governed by local codes, But really what you are doing ensuring that the entire structure and eart

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Grounding/Lightning protection.

2018-06-19 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi 18” down in a swamp likely is plenty for conductivity. 18” down in a sandy desert (or on an ice sheet) may be way short in terms of conductivity :) The real answer to any of this is “that depends”. (Yes, the ice sheet grounding problem is from a real case that shows up in some class notes f

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Grounding/Lightning protection.

2018-06-19 Thread Scott McGrath
The 18” inch requirement is partially for damage resistance and partially to ensure adequate soil moisture for conductivity. Content by Scott Typos by Siri On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:50 AM, jimlux wrote: On 6/18/18 6:39 PM, Glenn Little WB4UIV wrote: > To do the grounding correctly, all connec

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Grounding/Lightning protection.

2018-06-19 Thread jimlux
On 6/18/18 6:39 PM, Glenn Little WB4UIV wrote: To do the grounding correctly, all connections exterior to the building are to be welded. The cable to ground rod welds are to be 18 inches below grade. The exterior cable is to be number 2 copper or larger. To bond numerous ground systems togeth