Re: [time-nuts] Timing for Pendulum Astrolabe?

2018-12-03 Thread jimlux
On 12/3/18 10:45 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Dana: I converted a stock 24 hour wall clock to sidereal time using a "Crazy Clocks" module: https://www.tindie.com/products/nsayer/crazy-clock/ http://prc68.com/I/QuartzClk.shtml#Sidereal I gave it to the local latitude observatory

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-03 Thread paul swed
I am on the east coast and the everset chips work very well I have had a unit for musty be 5 years and ran tests for them. So at least here in Boston it does very fine. Hope that helps. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:33 PM Alex Pummer wrote: > that address is incorrect: Website:

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-03 Thread Alex Pummer
that address is incorrect:  Website: www.EversetClocks.com Alex On 12/3/2018 6:20 PM, Paul Bicknell wrote: Hi All There is a 60 Khz frequency standard operating in the UK So do the two signals interfere with each other? Paul -Original Message- From: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-03 Thread Paul Bicknell
Hi thank you Bob for the mail Do you realise the 60 Khz Transmitter in the UK was moved from Rugby in the centre of England north by more than 200 miles Paul -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob kb8tq Sent: 04 December 2018

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The interference “front” turns out to be over the US rather than over the UK. Power, distance, and propagation all get into the “why”. The answer is that you get crazy fades and phase shifts as a result. Bob > On Dec 3, 2018, at 9:20 PM, Paul Bicknell wrote: > > Hi All > > There is a

Re: [time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-03 Thread Paul Bicknell
Hi All There is a 60 Khz frequency standard operating in the UK So do the two signals interfere with each other? Paul -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: 04 December 2018 02:12 To: Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] Trueposition Antenna Location

2018-12-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Well, what you are coming up with as a result simply is not correct. Properly calculated ADEV does not do what you show it doing. TimeLab has been around long enough to be considered “correct” in this regard. The normal input to an ADEV calculation is phase rather than frequency. Bob >

[time-nuts] new WWVB BPSK dev board

2018-12-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
At long last, a complete WWVB 60 kHz BPSK dev board is available: https://universal-solder.ca/product/everset-es100-cob-wwvb-60khz-bpsk-receiver-kit-with-2-antennas/ Note it includes the antenna(s). Also has links to documentation. It would be very nice if a bunch of time nuts around the

Re: [time-nuts] Trueposition Antenna Location

2018-12-03 Thread Mark Goldberg
I am starting with what should be a frequency measurement at the sample rate. Timelab can import that and should be able to determine ADEV from that. I agree that something is not right though. I unfortunately am trying to measure with what I already have. I don't have a TIC. Regards, Mark On

Re: [time-nuts] Trueposition Antenna Location

2018-12-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Let’s back up a bit: The input to an ADEV calculation is a record of phase (time between wide spaced edges). Often this is from a PPS output on a device. It could equally well be from 10 MHz edges spaced a count of 10,000,000 edges apart. The first part of the formula takes the difference

Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 RFC

2018-12-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <0a9f6701-42d5-7553-8ea9-980899936...@intercat.com.br>, Luiz Alberto Saba writes: >1. Power supply. 24 V switched is OK or the classic >transformer/bridge/huge capacitors/regulator is best? A good switched PSU is better than a mediocre linear PSU these days. >2. Heat. Do I

[time-nuts] SRS PRS10 RFC

2018-12-03 Thread Luiz Alberto Saba
Hi people I'm new on this list and miles below you. I'm thinking of use a PRS10 with a LEA-6T providing 1PPS and a Raspberry PI 3b+ with Lady Heather (2 instances, of course) to monitor/control both devices. Reasons for my request for your comments: 1. Power supply. 24 V switched is OK or

Re: [time-nuts] Trueposition Antenna Location

2018-12-03 Thread Mark Goldberg
I have looked at it multiple times and so far cannot see a discrepancy. The ration of the ADEVs for the two sample rates is very close to 2 for a wide range of Tau in the 10-200 sec range. That can't be a coincidence. It's between 2 and 3 for higher Tau but that may be due to temperature changes.

Re: [time-nuts] Ashtech Z12T

2018-12-03 Thread Michael Wouters
Hello There are many alternatives to the Z12T. It all depends on your budget. I am guessing that you want to establish legal traceability to your local UTC, is that right? Starting at the top end, you can buy complete systems from Dicom and Piktime. These cost about $25K and $40K respectively.

Re: [time-nuts] Timing for Pendulum Astrolabe?

2018-12-03 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Dana: I converted a stock 24 hour wall clock to sidereal time using a "Crazy Clocks" module: https://www.tindie.com/products/nsayer/crazy-clock/ http://prc68.com/I/QuartzClk.shtml#Sidereal I gave it to the local latitude observatory https://www.prc68.com/I/UkiahObs.shtml and used the LMST

Re: [time-nuts] Ashtech Z12T

2018-12-03 Thread Don
On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 08:42 -0500, Bob kb8tq wrote: > https://www.thinksrs.com/downloads/pdfs/manuals/FS740m.pdfAnother  https://www.thinksrs.com/downloads/pdfs/manuals/FS740m.pdf ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go

Re: [time-nuts] Ashtech Z12T

2018-12-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Ok, if frequency is the only concern, then a fairly conventional GPSDO would do the job. One of many out there is the FS 740. https://www.thinksrs.com/downloads/pdfs/manuals/FS740m.pdfAnother There are a lot of others. The approach used is normally a very long comparison ( as in weeks).

Re: [time-nuts] Trueposition Antenna Location

2018-12-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi ADEV is pretty well documented and the results should *not* be dependent on the sample rate. The proper approach to dropping the sample rate is decimation of the data. I think you may want to look at the way you are doing ADEV. Bob > On Dec 3, 2018, at 12:30 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote: > > I

Re: [time-nuts] Ashtech Z12T

2018-12-03 Thread JF PICARD via time-nuts
Thank you for answer and sorry for delay. Purpose is simultaneous view of GPS satellites with the french official time laboratory LNE SYRTE . The corrections factors from the laboratory will enable to get with our high performance cesium about 5. 10-13 . Today the cesium is running alone.