[time-nuts] F9T Info

2019-03-25 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Looks like uBlox has released the basic info on the protocols and interfacing of the F9T. https://www.u-blox.com/en/product/zed-f9t-module#tab-documentation-resources There are still a few documents referenced in what they did release that have not yet popped up on the web site. Still l

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-25 Thread Ben Bradley
For independent standards (not quite what you asked) I recall from "The Science of Clocks and Watches" (a book with much technical info if you're interested in these mechanical devices) that the most accurate mechanical/pendulum clock was the Shortt Clock that used a pendulum in a vacuum chamber fo

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-25 Thread paul swed
If I am reading the paper correctly they used the moon as the reference. I would have thought it was the sun. But the moon gives a very clean edge definition. And now I know how the 770 came about. One more bit in the knowledge bunker. Thanks Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:03 PM Tom Van Baa

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-25 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2019-03-25T16:54:28-0700 Tom Van Baak hath writ: > In retrospect we would have had fewer leap seconds if they had > chosen 9192631950 Hz instead of 9192631770 Hz. But at the time it > wasn't a choice; it was just a measurement. And it was a measurement which was performed during an interva

Re: [time-nuts] multimeter

2019-03-25 Thread Matthew D'Asaro
I have long felt that the 289 is a classic example of design by committee. It has every possible feature that no one wants or needs and a price that represents that, but not the features people actually care about in a meter (fast turn on, rugged, light weight, reliable, long battery life.) Mat

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Does anyone have a pointer to information about the absolute time > accuracy (not stability) that was available via PZT or other techniques > prior to the Cesium definition? I'm doing a presentation and want to > show the evolution of accuracy. My Google-fu has failed me in finding > anythi

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-25 Thread Bruce Griffiths
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/FFA10ED6A784AA1E39637CC0CA93B750/S0074180900036007a.pdf/div-class-title-some-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-a-photographic-zenith-tube-div.pdf indicates a timing error of around 6 millisec Bruce > On 26 March 2019 at 12:15 Br

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-25 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2019-03-25T18:44:05-0400 John Ackermann N8UR hath writ: > Does anyone have a pointer to information about the absolute time accuracy > (not stability) that was available via PZT or other techniques prior to the > Cesium definition? I'm doing a presentation and want to show the evolution > o

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-25 Thread Bruce Griffiths
John http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1968JRASC..62..205T indicates a timing accuracy of a few milliseconds was typical for the Calgary PZT. Bruce > On 26 March 2019 at 11:44 John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > > > Does anyone have a pointer to information about the absolute time > accuracy (not stabi

[time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Does anyone have a pointer to information about the absolute time accuracy (not stability) that was available via PZT or other techniques prior to the Cesium definition? I'm doing a presentation and want to show the evolution of accuracy. My Google-fu has failed me in finding anything pre-Ato

Re: [time-nuts] multimeter

2019-03-25 Thread William H. Fite
You're so right about the 289. It costs too much, sucks the life out of batteries and is way too big. I have about a dozen handheld MMs, from a piece of Harbor Freight trash to a Gossen Metrahit M248A (believe it or not, a gift from a widow, off her late husband's bench. NIB). My 87 is the one

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator Aging Trends

2019-03-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/25/19 3:08 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi Very nice plots and some useful information. At some point the question becomes what the 8607 is doing. Both are seeing changes in temperature (and pressure). Eventually that will get into the picture. From the plots so far …. not so much yet. The 8607

Re: [time-nuts] multimeter

2019-03-25 Thread Ken Winterling
I have both the 87 and the 189 (I agree re: the 289 - not to mention the expense...). The 189 stays in the shop, with rare exceptions. The 87, built like a tank, goes on the road in a padded case. Get an 87 and a set of very skinny, pointed probes for those tight places. You will be very happy.

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator Aging Trends

2019-03-25 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Very nice plots and some useful information. At some point the question becomes what the 8607 is doing. Both are seeing changes in temperature (and pressure). Eventually that will get into the picture. From the plots so far …. not so much yet. Will we be getting weekly updates for the next

Re: [time-nuts] multimeter

2019-03-25 Thread Dan Kemppainen
The 87 is a good general purpose meter. My preference has been the now obsolete Fluke 189. It was replaced with the 289, which is just horrible. It eats batteries, is huge, takes forever to 'boot'. No one in the ship grabs that one unless it's the last one on the shelf. We've gone to orange me

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for the hp Standard

2019-03-25 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Very nice!  I look forward to reading all of those.  I hadn't known of that publication. Bob On Monday, March 25, 2019, 3:03:12 AM PDT, Tom Van Baak wrote: Some of you know that I'm a pack-rat for vintage instruments, books, documentation, and publications about atomic clocks. Especia

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for the hp Standard

2019-03-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
n Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:03, Tom Van Baak wrote: > Some of you know that I'm a pack-rat for vintage instruments, books, > documentation, and publications about atomic clocks. Especially anything by > Hewlett-Packard. I've enjoyed all the time-nuts posting by Rick Karlquist > and Hugh Rice, et al.

[time-nuts] Looking for the hp Standard

2019-03-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
Some of you know that I'm a pack-rat for vintage instruments, books, documentation, and publications about atomic clocks. Especially anything by Hewlett-Packard. I've enjoyed all the time-nuts posting by Rick Karlquist and Hugh Rice, et al. The usual online hp sources [1] host the massive annua