Re: [time-nuts] Using commercial video amplifier for 10MHz clock distribution.

2019-10-19 Thread Bryan _
There is a schematic here on the Extron uploaded by a TN member. The schematic for the Extron looks looks dead simple that one could really just make a simple 3 channel with the included mods in the writeup, only problem is I don't see a source for a CLC409 any longer, and I don't have the exper

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Fiorenzo Cattaneo
Here are (some) answers to your questions. Using NTP to synchronize time across all machines is the one which makes the most sense IMHO. In the past I setup the NTP server architecture for a "megacorp" I was working for, and I have replicated the same setup (at a much smaller case) in my house. M

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Fiorenzo Cattaneo
Hi David, I don't particularly trust NTP servers from pool.ntp.org (I assume that is what you mean by "pool"), and I use public stratum-1 servers chosen from a public list. Of course I make sure that my usage complies with the policies and terms of use for each server (some allow regional use only,

Re: [time-nuts] Using commercial video amplifier for 10MHz clock distribution.

2019-10-19 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 19.10.19 um 10:30 schrieb Bryan _: There is a schematic here on the Extron uploaded by a TN member. The schematic for the Extron looks looks dead simple that one could really just make a simple 3 channel with the included mods in the writeup, only problem is I don't see a source for a CLC4

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread David J Taylor via time-nuts
Hi David, I don't particularly trust NTP servers from pool.ntp.org (I assume that is what you mean by "pool"), and I use public stratum-1 servers chosen from a public list. Of course I make sure that my usage complies with the policies and terms of use for each server (some allow regional use only

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Hal Murray
> With this setup you have no single point of failure, and even if the > connection to internet fails, they can still provide time as they are peering > and synchronizing with each other. No, it doesn't work that way. You need connectivity to at least one stratum 1 server. There is an option

Re: [time-nuts] Using commercial video amplifier for 10MHz clock distribution.

2019-10-19 Thread paul swed
extrons are dead simple. But to modify the unit say a 6 output amp RBG+S then you have some 20-30 BNC nuts to take off. Fun. So while you are hacking it you can also add more outputs. Most have the holes. Add BNC and a chip R. Most of the Rs are on the back and no need to take off the nuts. Just de

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Philip Jackson
Take a look at vClock https://voceware.co.uk/products-vclock.aspx You could run on a surplus PC with a reliable NTP client. I like Tardis as I can set the servers that it queries and set limits to the amount of correction it applies so that it can compensate for PC RTC drift without the risk tha

Re: [time-nuts] Using commercial video amplifier for 10MHz clock distribution.

2019-10-19 Thread ed breya
I think there may be some confusion due to similarity of names. Extron apparently makes or made video gear. Efratom made Rb sources and precision frequency distribution stuff. I'd like to find info on the Efratom distribution system, and specifically the "MBF" modules. Ed __

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There is the “good old way” to keep the station clocks running right in a non-profit radio station: At some odd hour of the day, one day a week, the tech geek fires up WWVB and pipes it into an audio trunk. He / she then wanders around with a set of headphones. Each clock in the station gets

Re: [time-nuts] Using commercial video amplifier for 10MHz clock distribution.

2019-10-19 Thread tim...@timeok.it
Hi, A premise must be made to define the performance of these DAs as EXTRON can be compared to those built for the distribution of reference frequencies. The Extron is a very nice solution, certainly of modest price, but we must consider that its performances are limited. This especia

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Adrian Godwin
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:17 AM Hal Murray wrote: > > The crystal is a thermometer. On modern systems, the temperature depends > on > the workload as well as the air conditioning. > > Off-the-wall thought : could you discipline a well-insulated raspberry pi to NTP using heaters or workload to

Re: [time-nuts] 15 to 10 MHz

2019-10-19 Thread Alex Pummer
Hi Perrier, I would like to see that circuit -- divide by 1.5 -- also, thank you in advance Alex 73 KJ6UHN On 9/19/2019 5:03 AM, B Riches via time-nuts wrote: Hi Perrier, I would appreciate the circuit.  Thank you. 73, Bill, WA2DVUCape May On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 10:11:02

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Didier Juges
"Of course this is why I am a time-nut :-)" I might say you graduated from the Advanced class with honors :) Didier KO4BB ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_list

[time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Bruce Hunter via time-nuts
I have not been carefully following this thread, but it brings to mind experiences with broadcast time systems 40 or 50 years ago.  Accurate time is critical for operating networks of stations as one second can correspond to a loss of about three words.  Digital displays were (are) OK for engi

Re: [time-nuts] Using commercial video amplifier for 10MHz clock distribution.

2019-10-19 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
I've done some quick test. Specimen is one of my Extron MDV3.Instruments used were TruePosition based GPSDO producing 10MHz at 11.9dBmHP8644A producing 15MHz at 10dBmHP8591EM spectrum analyzer HP437B power meter + 482A sensor I connected 10MHz to OUTPUT port of Extron MDV3.  Nothing was detecte

[time-nuts] Flash!!! FA2 works on Aderino Tablets !!!

2019-10-19 Thread ew via time-nuts
Thanks to Didier and his endless pations I have FA2 working on my $ 25   7 inch RCA tablet . If unlike me you know what you are doing it takes less than a minute Bert Kehren http://www.ko4bb.com/Android/USBLogger_v002.apk ___ time-nuts mailing list -

Re: [time-nuts] Using commercial video amplifier for 10MHz clock distribution.

2019-10-19 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi What is the objective? If this is a setup to feed a bunch of RF test gear on a lab bench, that’s a petty typical thing for roughly 99% of the “need” out there. The gear sits there forever and ever connected to the end of the same piece of cable. It has a PLL of some sort inside the box to

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Achim Gratz
Adrian Godwin writes: > Off-the-wall thought : could you discipline a well-insulated raspberry pi > to NTP using heaters or workload to modify its temperature ? Yes you can, been doing that with four rasPi and two TinkerBoards for quite a while now to run the XTAL at its turnover temperature (wh

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread jimlux
On 10/18/19 12:20 PM, Eric Scace wrote: I fear that I am developing a reputation for bringing to the list rather oddball questions. In my rôle as agent provocateur, therefore, here is another such problem. Questions for you are at the end. Thanks for your thoughts,. — Eric I think

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Fiorenzo Cattaneo
Hello David, >>> I'm surprised you don't trust "pool" servers. My experience is that using >>> the pool directive, and allowing NTP to expand its server list automatically >>> to the maximum number of servers, gives good results usually with one of two >>> servers at least being stratum-1 GPS-loc

[time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Mark Sims
Well, Lady Heather will do all that (plus handle time zones, DST, and leapseconds). A Ras PI (even a Pi Zero) works very well. I have just added a "radio station studio clock" display mode. This clock display is driven by the system clock which is hopefully steered by NTP. Default update r

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Fiorenzo Cattaneo
I'd definitely think so, good idea :-) . I've also seen some open source projects which calibrate the PPM drift based on the measured temperature either using the CPU's temperature measurement or a cheap USB temperature ambient sensor, thus implementing some sort of "software ovenization". Unfortun

[time-nuts] Authoritative Source for Lady Heather

2019-10-19 Thread Mark Sims
The two real sources are ke5fx.com and EEVBLOG ke5fx.com has the "official" fully blessed release. It is currently at v5.0 This package has the nifty installer program. The EEVBLOG site (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/lady-heather-v6-beta-for-windows-exe/msg1434005/#msg1434005) h