Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Aug 4, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > Bob kb8tq writes: > >>> The "modern" approach to that is to modulate or dither with a >>> good long PRNG to whiten the noise, and while good in theory, >>> it is not _that_ easy to get right in practice. >> >> Of course o

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Aug 4, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > Bob kb8tq writes: > >>> I have not given much thought to A11 yet, and I do find a certain >>> elegance in the wien-bridge approach. It is worth noting that the >>> actual heaters run of the unregulated supply, when I sta

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Bob kb8tq writes: > > The "modern" approach to that is to modulate or dither with a > > good long PRNG to whiten the noise, and while good in theory, > > it is not _that_ easy to get right in practice. > > Of course one could simply cave in to the fact that for the sort of > gain required

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Bob kb8tq writes: > > I have not given much thought to A11 yet, and I do find a certain > > elegance in the wien-bridge approach. It is worth noting that the > > actual heaters run of the unregulated supply, when I stabilized > > that, A11 worked less hard. > > The AC bridge approach cer

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Aug 4, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > Bob kb8tq writes: > >> If a more extensive rebuild is in the works ….. > > Yes, that's where we're headed eventually, but I prefer to do it > incrementally. > >> +/-20V is (as has been observed) not an ideal voltage for

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Bob kb8tq writes: >If a more extensive rebuild is in the works ….. Yes, that's where we're headed eventually, but I prefer to do it incrementally. >+/-20V is (as has been observed) not an ideal voltage for “modern” >electronics. Right, and being able to drop that down later is in the

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Aug 4, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > Bob kb8tq writes: > I would go for the LTZ1000 if you can. The LM399 has gone out of fashion for a reason: [...] >>> >>> Yes, I know, being also a volt-nut :-) >>> >>> Problem is, the A15 PCB isn't all that big

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Bob kb8tq writes: >>> I would go for the LTZ1000 if you can. The LM399 has gone out of >>> fashion for a reason: [...] >> >> Yes, I know, being also a volt-nut :-) >> >> Problem is, the A15 PCB isn't all that big, and if you want >> cooling fins on two TO220's, a lot if it just got occu

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
On 8/4/2020 10:21 AM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: > > Back in Nov 2017 I detailed my A15 mods: > > Set Zener current to minimum TC (I achieved < 1PPM/C at the +20V output) > This involved disconnecting the C-field circuit and replacing it with a > dual (in series ) LM299AH and 1PPM resistors.  Jumpera

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If a more extensive rebuild is in the works ….. +/-20V is (as has been observed) not an ideal voltage for “modern” electronics. If you dig into each of the boards, there is a lot of “drop it down right now” regulation done on a board by board basis. More or less what might be there: A1 Synt

[time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread cdelect
>> C-field polarity switch. An experiment. If nothing else >> I will be able to measure the residual magnetic field. There is no requirement to do any thing other than switch the C-field polarity. No optical stuff needed. The PRS10 switches the C-field polarity at a 5HZ rate to reduce

Re: [time-nuts] Old E1983A files posted

2020-08-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
Thanks for doing that, Steve. I've added your hpgl -> PDF files to Rick's www.leapsecond.com/u/rk/ directory: asdrawa-8.pdf asdrawa.pdf asdrawb.pdf E1938_68001_51.pdf /tvb On 8/4/2020 9:00 AM, Steve Hendrix wrote: I have tools to turn those into PDFs if it would be helpful. Steve Hendrix A

[time-nuts] Old E1983A files posted

2020-08-04 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Decommissioning an old hard drive and found these> files.  I don't know if they are already in circulation; I can't view the hpgl ones See: http://www.leapsecond.com/u/rk/ Rick N6RK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To u

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Poul-Henning, On 2020-08-04 12:35, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > Magnus Danielson writes: > >> If that is the range you aim to improve, then I strongly recommend you >> do re-read the postings I did about phase noise in detector range, as I >> have showed that phase-noise get's mixed do

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Magnus Danielson writes: > If that is the range you aim to improve, then I strongly recommend you > do re-read the postings I did about phase noise in detector range, as I > have showed that phase-noise get's mixed down to DC and increase the > noise there. With very ugly and hand-wavey h

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Poul-Henning, On 2020-08-04 00:32, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > Attila Kinali writes: > >>> The main reason I dont just repair/replace the A15 is that >>> I want to find out how much instability the PSU contributes. >> There are very few points where supply voltage (in)stability >> co