Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Ray, https://github.com/chris-elfpen/Teensy4WWVBsdr 73's, John AJ6BC On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 18:31 wrote: > Bob, > > "Things already accomplished by Chris in the wwvb AM receiver" > > Is there a link to the AM receiver? Curious as to what that looks like. > > Ray, > AB7HE > > Original

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread jimlux
On 10/31/20 7:26 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:45 PM, jimlux wrote: On 10/31/20 4:46 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi Looking at the data sheet for the MCU, they really do want 24 MHz and that’s about it. I suspect you would do better to take your 10 MHz OCXO and run it into one

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:45 PM, jimlux wrote: > > On 10/31/20 4:46 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: >> Hi >> Looking at the data sheet for the MCU, they really do want 24 MHz and that’s >> about it. I suspect you would >> do better to take your 10 MHz OCXO and run it into one of the frequency >>

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The gizmo you want is a hot air rework tool. They are not all that expensive ( < $200 for a fancy one, quite a bit less for a simple one). They normally come with a bunch of tips. That lets you “focus” the heat on the part you want to pull. One of an infinite number, randomly chosen:

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread jimlux
On 10/31/20 4:46 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi Looking at the data sheet for the MCU, they really do want 24 MHz and that’s about it. I suspect you would do better to take your 10 MHz OCXO and run it into one of the frequency converter chips to get the 24. Then feed that into the board. One more

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread rcbuck
Sorry Bob. I meant to address this question to Paul. "Things already accomplished by Chris in the wwvb AM receiver" Is there a link to the AM receiver? Curious as to what that looks like. Ray, AB7HE Original Message Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread rcbuck
Bob, "Things already accomplished by Chris in the wwvb AM receiver" Is there a link to the AM receiver? Curious as to what that looks like. Ray, AB7HE Original Message Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments From: Bob kb8tq Date: Sat, October 31, 2020

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread paul swed
Jim Thanks for the details. I took a serious look at popping the xtal out and am afraid its a bit beyond me since there are 4 pads that need to be heated. I have worked on very small stuff under the microscope. But this seems problematic. I sort of thought all the bits would get upset. No free

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Looking at the data sheet for the MCU, they really do want 24 MHz and that’s about it. I suspect you would do better to take your 10 MHz OCXO and run it into one of the frequency converter chips to get the 24. Then feed that into the board. One more chip, but you now don’t have a bunch of

Re: [time-nuts] Changes in commercial GPS clocks over the decades

2020-10-31 Thread The Fiber Guru
Thanks, it is used by Middle and high schools across the country, tech schools and many other businesses. The goal is to get kids excited about technology but we find a lot of people just want to know more about a technology that touches their everyday life. Glad you enjoyed it. db > On Oct

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread jimlux
On 10/31/20 11:42 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi …..errr….. Can you pull the clock oscillator off the Teensy board? (Yes, the soldering iron would be involved). Will the clock input to the MCU accept something like 10 MHz? If so solder on a cable …. At that point whatever the Teeny does is locked

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread paul swed
Good suggestions. The Teensy runs at some 580 MHz. I thought on the crystal I had seen something like 166. These things are seriously small. But the schematic shows its 24 MHz. Inside the teensy is a PLL that creates the high speed system clock. So thats potentially a good answer. Use something

Re: [time-nuts] Changes in commercial GPS clocks over the decades

2020-10-31 Thread Bryan _
Great tutorial read on fiber in your website. -=Bryan=- From: time-nuts on behalf of The Fiber Guru Sent: October 31, 2020 9:29 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Changes in commercial GPS clocks over the

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Just a thought, Paul -- If the teensy can generate an output that is accurate but jittery, you could use a simple PLL to lock a crystal to that with a time constant that smooths out the jitter. John On 10/31/20 1:47 PM, paul swed wrote: Hello to the group. Wanted to update the everyone

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi …..errr….. Can you pull the clock oscillator off the Teensy board? (Yes, the soldering iron would be involved). Will the clock input to the MCU accept something like 10 MHz? If so solder on a cable …. At that point whatever the Teeny does is locked to the 10 MHz. If that comes from one of

[time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group. Wanted to update the everyone thats interested in what I have learned so far on the Teensy and audio codec. No complete solution yet. Much of my experimentation and knowledge has come from Frank and Chris, who built the complete wwvb AM time receiver. In addition and important

Re: [time-nuts] Changes in commercial GPS clocks over the decades

2020-10-31 Thread The Fiber Guru
Yes, prior to use of GPS to discipline the Local oscillator, telecom timing was a “trickle down” topology where a cesium source in Kansas City was distributed across the continent. The cesium was the gold standard and as the timing signals cascaded to distant geographical regions, it was

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO housings - Why copper and not iron/steel?

2020-10-31 Thread Tobias Pluess
Also an interesting material when high thermal conductivity is considered is boron nitride. It is around five times better than copper, comparable to diamond and can be sintered to a ceramic material. Of course the Wiedemann-Franz-Lorenz law doesn't apply here as it is a very good electrical

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO housings - Why copper and not iron/steel?

2020-10-31 Thread Luiz Alberto Saba
Interesting list https://thermtest.com/thermal-resources/top-10-thermally-conductive-materials Enviado do meu iPhone > Em 30 de out. de 2020, à(s) 23:57, Bruce Griffiths > escreveu: > > Not true > The Wiedemann-Franz gives the ratio of the thermal conductivity to electrical > conductivity

Re: [time-nuts] Changes in commercial GPS clocks over the decades

2020-10-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 2020-10-30 21:37, The Fiber Guru wrote: > During my telco career I was responsible for Network Synchronization and > witnessed several generations of clock designs. Post-telco I now > manufacture and sell Network synchronization systems. Here are a few > observations from legacy and

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO housings - Why copper and not iron/steel?

2020-10-31 Thread Dana Whitlow
And for the serious low-noise enthusiast, a side benefit of cooling to cryogenic temperatures like 15K or so is that the thermal conductivity of copper is something like 25X what it is at room temperature. Dana On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 9:11 PM Mark Sims wrote: > > And (if I remember the