Re: [time-nuts] HP5065a cfield issue

2020-12-02 Thread paul swed
For everyone when the cfield pot is at 0.0 its 2.5ma and at 9.9 its 6.38ma. The jump is over 4 major divisions of the cfield pot and I still did not match the reference.. So looking at the synth chart on page 3-9 started to see how far it had gone. Tube says the switch should be 8714 or -240 E-10 t

Re: [time-nuts] HP5061 Cesium ion pump question

2020-12-02 Thread paul swed
Andy What a find and what luck you did it right from the start. If you had not allowed it to pump down the way you did it may have mislead you into thinking there was a big problem with the rest of the circuits not turning on or pulsing on and off. All expected and normal in a gassy tube. Its funny

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065a cfield issue

2020-12-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Ok, if that still turns out to be correct … that’s just about 2 ppb. ( 1.6667…). To do that with the C field, you would need to make a *major* change. It’s essentially the whole range of the pot. You already know that it’s off in the direction of needing more counts on the dial. I *think* th

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065a cfield issue

2020-12-02 Thread paul swed
Yes absolutely it can go back and it is the same offset. I can get real numbers from memory 3 seconds for 5ns drift and the units slow. Will confirm and reshare. Regards Paul. On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 2:52 PM Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > Just double checking….. Are we still after a change went past

Re: [time-nuts] HP5061 Cesium ion pump question

2020-12-02 Thread paul swed
Corby that explains what I have been seeing and wondering about over the years I have had Cesiums. Get it all pumped down and then the next time I get those bursts. I am letting a recent 5061 pump down. It seems to get really dirty each time I start it but gets down to 16 on the meter after some 48

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065a cfield issue

2020-12-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Just double checking….. Are we still after a change went past 1/3 of the pot range? Can we get the pot back to the original location and measure the frequency offset (even if only in a crude fashion)? Best guess is still that this should be a ppb or more of shift. If it’s down in the 4x1

[time-nuts] HP5061 Cesium ion pump question

2020-12-02 Thread cdelect
The gettering in the tube is only for capturing any stray Cesium atoms that don't get caught in the main gettering patch. If the gettering fails or gets too loaded up then the Cesium background level will get too high causing poor SN. The ion pump is for any gases. When a tube is off for extended

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065a cfield issue

2020-12-02 Thread paul swed
Corby will check. Though in looking at the cfield circuits it does appear all to be correct. Its some other odd offset that has crept in. Thanks On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:56 PM wrote: > Paul, > > One other thing to check. > > Put a DC coupled scope on the C-field pot wiper and rotate the pot back

[time-nuts] HP5065a cfield issue

2020-12-02 Thread cdelect
Paul, One other thing to check. Put a DC coupled scope on the C-field pot wiper and rotate the pot back and forth. Make sure there are no jumps or noise. Sometimes the pot gets noisy in a section. Rotating it back and forth across the bad sections will usually clean it up. Cheers, Corby __

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B / TimeLab question

2020-12-02 Thread jimlux
On 12/2/20 10:17 AM, djl wrote: or: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19870019361 from Charlie Greenhall A nicer looking version is available at https://ipnpr.jpl.nasa.gov/ click the 1980-189 button use your browser's search function for Greenhall.. https://ipnpr.jpl.nasa.gov/progress_report/

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B / TimeLab question

2020-12-02 Thread djl
or: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19870019361 from Charlie Greenhall On 2020-12-01 15:52, Tom Van Baak wrote: Hi Skip, You are exactly right. And, surprisingly, this is correct and normal for most TI counters. The short answer is -- for your use case, a *zero deadtime* time interval counter

Re: [time-nuts] HP5061 Cesium ion pump question

2020-12-02 Thread Andy Talbot
When I found my HP5061A lingering in a skip, soaked in rainwater some 20 plus years ago, I thought I'd be lucky if it was only good for the OCXO, and never even contemplated it might be fully working. I first left it in a warm room for a week to dry out then, without having a clue about how to get

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065a cfield issue

2020-12-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Ok, if the synth is off the “suspect” list …. *and* it’s a good solid lock. Back to the C field. If it jumped 4x10^-11, that’s a very different thing than jumping 2x10^-9. Finding the “source” of a 0.04 ppb shift is going to be a lot harder than finding a 2 ppb gotcha. Best to nail down th

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065a cfield issue

2020-12-02 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group. Last night I dug further into the 5065 along with a lot of reading. The synth is producing the correct frequency according to the charts here and in the manual. I also now see that any logic I may have assumed about the thumbwheel switches is completely wrong. The test tonight w

Re: [time-nuts] HP5061 Cesium ion pump question

2020-12-02 Thread paul swed
Morris I do see that of the 3 HP5061s the results are different and do know each tube leaks or internally emits stuff. But as you say maybe the metering is off. It definitely trips out at 40ua. I have my units that pulse like that and then settle down as the tube clears. But its hard to explain tha

Re: [time-nuts] HP5061 Cesium ion pump question

2020-12-02 Thread vilgotch1
I think there's quite a bit of variation in leakage rates between individual physics packages, and there's also variation in the accuracy of the metering. I recently started up my spare 5061A after over a year in storage. The Ion current meter showed zero with the Cs off but about 40 in the Open Lo

Re: [time-nuts] Voyager space probe question

2020-12-02 Thread Andrew Rodland
RTGs, much like solar cells, have a terminal voltage that drops pretty much linearly with the current you draw from them, and a "maximum power point" where V*I reaches a maximum (see for example page 37 and several later pages from https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a057483.pdf ). As they