Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Rb update

2020-12-07 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Since the magnetic “response” of the field around the physics package is non-linear, reversing the field on a package with magnetized mu metal *should* produce a delta frequency. More or less: C field at 4 ma is +0.10 gauss ( no it’s not, but you need a number here …) Mag o

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Rb update

2020-12-07 Thread Dana Whitlow
Rheostats are not necessarily stable because the current is 1st-order dependent on the contact resistance. I had missed the part about the nearby lightning strike. Could it be that the mu-metal shielding got partly magnetized by the high current pulse of the lightning? If so, there ought to be s

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Rb update

2020-12-07 Thread ed breya
I found a datasheet for the Bourns "Knobpot" type pots I have. Specs are not all that great. No info about the innards. https://www.bourns.com/pdfs/3600_obsolete.pdf Ed ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to htt

Re: [time-nuts] Manual: VARIAN R-20 Rubidium frequency, standard.

2020-12-07 Thread Chris Quayle
Hi, I scanned and uoploaded the R20 and 304D manuals to ko4bb a couple of years ago. Have a 304D which sort of works, but the meter was open circuit and had to replace with a similar sized edgwise meter, and an op amp to correct the range. Still have the original manual somewher, but the scans

[time-nuts] Ublox 8T

2020-12-07 Thread ew via time-nuts
If some one wants to make a breakout board or Saw tooth get with me off list                                                            Bert Kehren ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailm

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Rb update

2020-12-07 Thread ed breya
Paul S. wrote "The pots on the digital counter and its actually quite small. The 3 leads all fit into an area about the size of a pencil eraser." Yeah, I know what you mean. I had assumed the pot in question was one of the more modern, fairly compact ten-turn helipots, that are about an inch

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Rb update

2020-12-07 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The existing c field winding is *inside* the magnetic shield on the physics package. Simply getting a second winding inside that package involves some (scary to most of us) tearing apart (an re-assembly) of the physics package. Next up, the mag field needs to be reasonably uniform. That m

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Rb update

2020-12-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Dana Whitlow writes: > Would it be feasible to add a smaller winding around the outside of > the existing C-field winding, and drive it from something other than > the crude rheostat circuit? That would be on the outside of the mu-metal screen and therefore a really bad idea. -- Poul-

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Rb update

2020-12-07 Thread paul swed
Unfortunately the cfield is deep in the tube. So that would require taking the shields and such apart. The cfield isn't just a pot its actually tied to a feedback loops and diff amp that changes the slope to match the tube. There are quite a few ways to improve on it. Poul wrote up a whole page on

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Rb update

2020-12-07 Thread Dana Whitlow
Paul, Would it be feasible to add a smaller winding around the outside of the existing C-field winding, and drive it from something other than the crude rheostat circuit? Then you could make finer adjustments than the existing driver permits, and would rely only on the existing driver to provide o

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Rb update

2020-12-07 Thread paul swed
Ed Like you I don't like dangling pots either. But since I had the system open I took a look to see how hard that would be to accomplish. The pots on the digital counter and its actually quite small. The 3 leads all fit into an area about the size of a pencil eraser. To work on it requires removing

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox 8T

2020-12-07 Thread paul swed
Agree But considering you mentioned it, thats very attractive. Considering a couple just to play with. Regards Paul On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 10:33 AM ew wrote: > Normally such a price would be suspicious but cut outs from Huawai reduces > the risk. > > > In a message dated 12/7/2020 10:26:52 AM Ea

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox 8T

2020-12-07 Thread ew via time-nuts
Normally such a price would be suspicious but cut outs from Huawai reduces the risk.                                                                      In a message dated 12/7/2020 10:26:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, paulsw...@gmail.com writes:  OK I was wondering how to handle that.Thank you.R

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox 8T

2020-12-07 Thread paul swed
OK I was wondering how to handle that. Thank you. Regards Paul. On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 10:22 AM ew wrote: > We will remove them with a heat source and use them on designs we already > have and tested with 5T and 6T like GPSDO and a Saw tooth correction board > using the DS 1023- 25 for delay >

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox 8T

2020-12-07 Thread ew via time-nuts
We will remove them with a heat source and use them on designs we already have and tested with 5T and 6T like GPSDO and a Saw tooth correction board using the DS 1023- 25  for delay                                                                                    Bert Kehren                   

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Rb update

2020-12-07 Thread ed breya
OK, I see now what the circuit looks like, in the manual. The pot is used in rheostat mode, so the specific value is needed, and it would take some more modification of the circuit to increase the setting resolution. I would recommend making a simple change to the existing pot hookup though,

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox 8T

2020-12-07 Thread paul swed
Bert Very attractive price. They appear to be on a cut out circuit board. How are you connecting to them please? Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:14 AM ew via time-nuts wrote: > With not much happening on Ublox 9T I went back looking at 8T in support > for Jim Harnan's next generati

[time-nuts] Ublox 8T

2020-12-07 Thread ew via time-nuts
With not much happening on Ublox 9T I went back looking at 8T in support for Jim Harnan's next generation GPSDO.. Shopping on ebay I ran across this super deal. No financial interest but we have bought from him repeatedly no problem. There is a reason he has 100%.. We have offered $ 15 for three