[time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FWIW. No detailed content, and a rather quick read. "Five key trends in GPS". https://www.u-blox.com/en/blogs/insights/five-key-trends-gps ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listin

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
It's interesting that they talk about the F9 receivers offering 5 ns absolute time accuracy. Does anyone know of tests confirming that, and what sort of care was required in the setup to get there? John On 2/26/21 9:34 AM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote: FWIW. No detailed content, and a rather

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi I can’t think of many antennas (multi band or single band) that claim to know their delay to < 5 ns. Simply having a *differential* delay spec of < 5 ns is quite good. Same thing with delay ripple, you see specs out to around 15 ns on a lot of antennas. None of this is getting you to the ac

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread ed breya
John, if you look back at the recent GPSDO discussion initiated by "dandober" in hpaligent keysight group, you'll see a post by Leo Bodnar, linking a Ublox model here https://www.u-blox.com/sites/default/files/products/documents/LEA-M8F_DataSheet_%28UBX-14001772%29.pdf I looked it up, and I re

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
They're claiming "even better than" 5 ns for relative time, which given the 4 ns jitter seems at least sort-of reasonable. But until someone shows me otherwise, I'm still thinking that getting better than 25 ns absolute accuracy is a pretty good day's work. John On 2/26/21 5:26 PM, Bob

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Would not “absolute” timing be referenced to UTC? (or something similar) Bob > On Feb 26, 2021, at 5:37 PM, ed breya wrote: > > John, if you look back at the recent GPSDO discussion initiated by "dandober" > in hpaligent keysight group, you'll see a post by Leo Bodnar, linking a Ublox > m

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
You have to be careful comparing the LEA-M8F with other GPS units. It does have low jitter because the "TIMEPULSE" signal is derived from the TCXO which is locked to the GPS time mark. But their claim of "essentially jitter free" depends on your definition of "essentially" -- attached is a co

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread John Ackermann
That's how I'd interpret it. ⁣Get BlueMail for Android ​ On Feb 26, 2021, 7:42 PM, at 7:42 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: >Hi > >Would not “absolute” timing be referenced to UTC? (or something >similar) > >Bob > >> On Feb 26, 2021, at 5:37 PM, ed breya wrote: >> >> John, if you look back at the recent G

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread Michael Wouters
Typical L1 antenna delays range from 20 to 70 ns. I know of only one antenna for which a delay is given by the vendor and the technique used was just to measure the electronic delay ie by injecting a signal into the circuit. To do it properly, you need a setup in a microwave anechoic chamber with t

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread Lux, Jim
On 2/26/21 4:00 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: They're claiming "even better than" 5 ns for relative time, which given the 4 ns jitter seems at least sort-of reasonable.  But until someone shows me otherwise, I'm still thinking that getting better than 25 ns absolute accuracy is a pretty good d

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
A while ago I tried doing a decidedly non-anechoic measurement with a VNA exciter going to a 1500 MHz ground plane and the receiver connected to the antenna (with a known delay cable) and I got a similar result, but there was enough noise that I didn't think I could nail it down to within 10 ns