[time-nuts] Fwd: PLL book 3rd edition

2021-02-28 Thread David Bengtson
Microwave and Wireless Synthesizers: Theory and Design, Second Edition by Ulrich L. Rohde (Author), Enrico Rubiola (Author), Jerry Whitaker (Author) Is now available for preorder on Amazon, with a scheduled availability date of May 11, 2021. I've preordered my copy, looking forward to it. On Fri,

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread ed breya
I didn't realize before that there was a picture attached in the OP. That's a lot different from the HP ones. The crystal element looks more like those in regular packages, but on the large side, due to the low frequency. If it's a 1 MHz, then you should be able to find plenty of representative

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread ed breya
I just took a quick look. I have four of these ovens, definitely marked for the HP5110A. One is partly disassembled so the crystal can be pulled. It looks very much like the one in the picture that Jeremy put up. There are two quite large mica caps mounted on a disc-shaped board along with the

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread David G. McGaw
Stamp on the top is 1000 kHz in Russian. David N1HAC On 2/28/21 6:35 PM, Dan Kemppainen wrote: Hi All, I've picked up a couple of old crystals. Mostly because they look neat. They are 1Mhz, in a glass tube. The quartz is ~25mm dia, at about 1 mm thick. Was able to get them to oscillate using

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal

2021-02-28 Thread Elio Corbolante
> I've picked up a couple of old crystals. Mostly because they look neat. > They are 1Mhz, in a glass tube. The quartz is ~25mm dia, at about 1 mm > thick. Was able to get them to oscillate using a Colpitts circuit. They > will oscillate at 2.851Mhz (probably some strange mode) if given the > chan

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread Adrian Godwin
I've got one with a similar shape crystal wafer but packaged in a glass HC6/U package. However most of the glass-packaged crystals I've seen have been in a small vacuum-tube style package with a long, narrow strip of crystal. I think 16kHz is the lowest I've seen. On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 12:10 AM B

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread ed breya
I have some similar, that came from some old HP OCXOs. They look like they were built inside octal tube envelopes, without the pin bases. I'm pretty sure they are 1 MHz, and came from some HP51110 (I think ?) reference generators, part of one of their ancient synthesizers - it was a two-piece r

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 18:35:57 -0500 Dan Kemppainen wrote: > If any of you have any suggestions on where to find information on how > to get something like this to oscillate properly, guess at correct > parameters, or even measure any of the parameters I would really > appreciate it. The best w

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Best guess is that it’s a 1 MHz fundamental. Your magic circuit is running it on the third overtone. Past that: AT cut? Probably. 32 pf load? maybe. Heated application? maybe. Russian manufacture? yup Bob > On Feb 28, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Dan Kemppainen wr

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread EB4APL
Hi, If you have access to a Network Analyzer, either Scalar or Vector,  you can measure the crystal parameters. You need a test fixture (homemade) to convert the impedance to 12.5 Ohm and you sweep the crystal to obtain its serial resonance and the -3dB points. From these there are formulas t

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Is that a PR Peterson Radio logo? On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 03:53:32 PM PST, Dan Kemppainen wrote: Hi All, I've picked up a couple of old crystals. Mostly because they look neat. They are 1Mhz, in a glass tube. The quartz is ~25mm dia, at about 1 mm thick. Was able to get them to

[time-nuts] Historical question

2021-02-28 Thread Jeremy Nichols
Does anyone know how many of its “first family” of frequency standards HP made? That would be the HP-100A (starting in 1943) through HP-100E (ending 1967). Just curious—I have a 100E, made in or after 1961. Jeremy -- Jeremy Nichols Sent from my iPad 6. ___

[time-nuts] AN/URQ-13 update

2021-02-28 Thread paul swed
OK went through the outer oven today and have a schematic on it now. Pretty interesting. The outer oven powers from the -8.5V bus while the inner oven powers off of the +15V bus. I guess in that way to some extent the power consumption is somewhat balanced between the ovens. Have added a small regu

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-13 update

2021-02-28 Thread paul swed
Bob could be. No matter it works and I might agree at this point since the whole oscillator draws 6 ma. Its no buffer amp. Plus the output goes to a 2K resistor to feed the coax.Its been on 12 hours and is fairly stable. Simply have the unit wrapped in several layers of cloth. One last thing before

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-13 update

2021-02-28 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Feb 27, 2021, at 9:38 PM, paul swed wrote: > > Well some progress actually made. Ripped the oscillator out of the assembly > and removed the rest of the material surrounding everything. Now have a > schematic at least 90% correct. Part of the issue seems to be rotting > solder joints. Af