[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Lux, Jim
On 4/1/21 4:49 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi At least back when I did it for a living …. the SAW you used for an oscillator was a bit different than the one you used for an oscillator. The “normal” problem was coming up with enough tune range cover the (massive) TC plus the aging. Bob Yeah, for f

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi At least back when I did it for a living …. the SAW you used for an oscillator was a bit different than the one you used for an oscillator. The “normal” problem was coming up with enough tune range cover the (massive) TC plus the aging. Bob > On Apr 1, 2021, at 7:40 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann >

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
OOps, the 400 MHz filter is < https://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/qualcomm-rf360-a-qualcomm-tdk-joint-venture/B39401B3742H110/495-3923-1-ND/1858979 > Gerhard ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send an emai

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Poseidon Scientific Instruments (acquired by Raytheon) make a room temperature 10.24GHz Sapphire loaded cavity oscillator with a low PN floor: https://www.rdi.uwa.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/3447669/Raytheon-TechnologyToday-20141-Extract.pdf Bruce > On 02 April 2021 at 05:06 Chris Caudle

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Apr 1, 2021, at 2:16 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist > wrote: > > > > On 4/1/2021 10:32 AM, Lux, Jim wrote: > >> And for what it's worth DROs have their microphonic problems too. We had a >> breadboard deep space transponder and you could demodulate your voice >> (poorly) using the sp

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Wes
A bit more contemporaneous... it's too long a story to relate here, but I discovered that the internal speaker, as well as my voice, tapping on the case, etc would FM the VCO in the synthesizer in my Elecraft K3 transceiver.  This was a birth defect that affected every one of them. They used my

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Lux, Jim
On 4/1/21 11:16 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 4/1/2021 10:32 AM, Lux, Jim wrote: And for what it's worth DROs have their microphonic problems too. We had a breadboard deep space transponder and you could demodulate your voice (poorly) using the spectrum analyzer's FM demod feature.

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 4/1/2021 10:32 AM, Lux, Jim wrote: And for what it's worth DROs have their microphonic problems too. We had a breadboard deep space transponder and you could demodulate your voice (poorly) using the spectrum analyzer's FM demod feature. Very cool. Unimpressive to the folks who wanted to p

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Lux, Jim writes: >SAW devices were all the rage in the 80s for signal processing. Also certain CPUs: Some of the DEC Alpha's had a SAW oscillator next to the CPU chip to get a sufficiently pure clock-signal. They had a tempco from hell and were nearly impossible to wrangle with NTP.

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Lux, Jim
On 4/1/21 9:41 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: 1. Whatever the advantage of cryogenic operation, Keysight could not consider that due to marketing reasons.  They were happy to leave the lunatic fringe to our friends in Western Australia. 2.  They were already limited by microphonics even at

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
1. Whatever the advantage of cryogenic operation, Keysight could not consider that due to marketing reasons. They were happy to leave the lunatic fringe to our friends in Western Australia. 2. They were already limited by microphonics even at room temperature, so cryo would be wasted. 3. My

[time-nuts] Re: time-nuts Digest, Vol 200, Issue 49

2021-04-01 Thread William Schrempp
Hey guys-- From a non-engineer civilian, let me express my gratitude at being able to listening in, as a slack-jawed rube, to your high-end ruminations about "aero dynamic windows" and "whispering gallery devices," which send me scurrying to Google. You give this mere mortal much voyeuristic pl

[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Chris Caudle
On 2021-03-31 14:27, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: When I left Keysight in 2014, they were still trying to solve the microphonic problem in their sapphire resonator oscillator. Also, it is still necessary to lock the oscillator to a 5 or 10 MHz OCXO. The oscillator is tuned by varying its ove