[time-nuts] Re: ammonia, cesium, masers, etc.

2021-09-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Dana Whitlow writes: > My dad worked in the absorption air conditioning field using ammonia and > water, > and he once told me that ammonia-water was hell on aluminum copper points, or > even aluminum tubing that had impurities in the form of tiny copper flakes in > it. An aluminum-cop

[time-nuts] Re: ammonia, cesium, masers, etc.

2021-09-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Bob kb8tq writes: >I think it’s safe to say that the interaction between the ammonia and whatever >the >structure is made of will be exciting on a number of levels. Corrosion is only >the first >item on a very long list …. Just stick with a single metal and keep water away, and you sh

[time-nuts] Re: ammonia, cesium, masers, etc.

2021-09-21 Thread Matt Harris
Just as a side note, the absorption refrigerator in my motorhome is loaded with lots of copper tubing throughout, and the whole system is charged with copious amounts of ammonia, so I would assume copper to be just fine from a compatibility standpoint. -Matt

[time-nuts] Re: ammonia, cesium, masers, etc.

2021-09-21 Thread paul swed
Well aside from the fact that I have about one piece of gear that goes up to 23 GHz. A old HP bolometer to a HP 431 meter. Still works from what I can tell. Really nothing else in the shack. But ebay sure has plenty of WR42 stuff. Unfortunately at those special ebay prices. So doesn't look too like

[time-nuts] Some assistance with Ball-Efratom FRK-L Rb Osc. Needed

2021-09-21 Thread Walter Shawlee 2
I just stripped one of these units out of an Argo Systems AS-210 to use as a stand alone reference. The system ran before I did this, so I was sure all the hardware was working. It is marked FRK-L (manual says this the low temp operating version), and says Efratom p/n 2A5A2A.  I did not see any

[time-nuts] Re: Some assistance with Ball-Efratom FRK-L Rb Osc. Needed

2021-09-21 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The “normal” FRK-L is the low phase noise version of the FRK. There are two “external control” options. One is a 10K pot the other is a EFC voltage. Simple answer is to short the wires / leave them open. The big deal is finding out if the beast still locks and how much signal is getting to

[time-nuts] Re: Some assistance with Ball-Efratom FRK-L Rb Osc. Needed

2021-09-21 Thread paul swed
As Bob says you can use an internal or external supply and 10K pot to ground or leave open. With respect to the internal regulator. I think there are two things at startup: the voltage is higher and drops after ignition. So go with the 24V supply about 2 amps should work and to some extent that wil

[time-nuts] Fwd: Re: Re: ammonia, cesium, masers, etc.

2021-09-21 Thread ed breya
I was just looking at a HP8566, and found that it can reach the right range, right on the hairy edge of its capability. It's specified range is to 22 GHz, but you can tell it to go up to 24 GHz stop frequency - beyond that it will ignore numeric entries, or adjust the other parameters to limit it

[time-nuts] Re: Some assistance with Ball-Efratom FRK-L Rb Osc. Needed

2021-09-21 Thread ed breya
If you look at the schematics of the C-field adjustment circuits, you'll find where the tweaking is available for fine tuning the Rb system. I think that's the only "frequency adjustment" spot to worry about. The other is the tweak for the crystal oscillator to accommodate long term drift there