[time-nuts] Re: Why do have OCXO a Vref output? (was: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO)

2021-12-23 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
When I designed the HP E1938A, I put a 2.5V reference IC inside the oven and brought out both terminals of it. This was intended to provide a reference voltage to the external DAC that generated the tuning voltage for the loop that locked it loosely to GPS. It had its own return path that

[time-nuts] Re: Why do have OCXO a Vref output? (was: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO)

2021-12-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
One thing I've seen on several OCXO and small Rbs is that the EFC pin is internally wired in the middle of a voltage divider using two fairly high value (>10K) resistors between Vref and ground. That ties the varactor to the middle of the EFC range when no external tuning is required. For

[time-nuts] Re: Why do have OCXO a Vref output?

2021-12-23 Thread Brooke Clarke via time-nuts
Hi: I'd second this.  When I was working at HP on the Kobe Instrument Division products (component testers) the 4352S VCO tester had a very special power supply for the tuning voltage that was extremely clean so as not to detract from the VCO under test. -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke, N6GCE

[time-nuts] Re: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO

2021-12-23 Thread Wilko Bulte
> On 23 Dec 2021, at 18:58, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:14:48 -0500 > Bob kb8tq wrote: > >> It’s a pretty good bet that the Vref is 5V > > A quick google lead me to this forum post: >

[time-nuts] Re: Why do have OCXO a Vref output? (was: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO)

2021-12-23 Thread Wilko Bulte
> On 23 Dec 2021, at 18:47, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 14:42:27 +0100 > Wilko Bulte wrote: > >> A quick experiment learned that the OCXO freq responds to the EFC voltage. >> So, looks like the Vref circuit in the OCXO has died. > > A stupid side question: Why do have

[time-nuts] Re: Why do have OCXO a Vref output? (was: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO)

2021-12-23 Thread Andy Talbot
I've always assumed this is because they need to know the reference is clean and under the OCXO manufacturer's control if it's to meet specs. If the user had to supply the reference there's no knowing how clean it is. Andy www.g4jnt.com On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 17:47, Attila Kinali wrote: >

[time-nuts] Re: Why do have OCXO a Vref output? (was: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO)

2021-12-23 Thread paul swed
Plus it was temperature stabilised since it was in the oven area. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 2:16 PM ed breya wrote: > Many of the older VTOCXOs have the internal reference voltage accessible > simply to use them stand-alone. A remote adjustment pot could be fed > from the

[time-nuts] Re: Why do have OCXO a Vref output? (was: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO)

2021-12-23 Thread ed breya
Many of the older VTOCXOs have the internal reference voltage accessible simply to use them stand-alone. A remote adjustment pot could be fed from the reference, and set the fine tuning voltage, without needing any other support from the system. Nowadays we typically tune from PLLs, and such,

[time-nuts] Re: Why do have OCXO a Vref output? (was: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO)

2021-12-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The main reason OCXO’s have a Vref is that an ovenized voltage source is likely to be more stable over temperature than what you can easily buy and mount on a PCB. The gotcha is the common ground found on most OCXO’s. Putting the oven current through that ground makes keeping the Vref (and

[time-nuts] Re: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO

2021-12-23 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 18:57:10 +0100 Attila Kinali wrote: > On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:14:48 -0500 > Bob kb8tq wrote: > > > It’s a pretty good bet that the Vref is 5V > > A quick google lead me to this forum post: >

[time-nuts] Re: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO

2021-12-23 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:14:48 -0500 Bob kb8tq wrote: > It’s a pretty good bet that the Vref is 5V A quick google lead me to this forum post: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/a-look-at-my-symmetricom-gpsdo-(ocxo-furuno-receiver)/1325/ Looks like the Vref is supposed to be 2.5V

[time-nuts] Why do have OCXO a Vref output? (was: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO)

2021-12-23 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 14:42:27 +0100 Wilko Bulte wrote: > A quick experiment learned that the OCXO freq responds to the EFC voltage. > So, looks like the Vref circuit in the OCXO has died. A stupid side question: Why do have OCXO a Vref output in the first place? I can see that some form of

[time-nuts] Re: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO

2021-12-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi It’s a pretty good bet that the Vref is 5V Bob > On Dec 23, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > hi, > > I am currently trying to revive a Trimble UCCM-LPS ex-telco GPSDO. > The model is a 57963-D according to the PCB silkscreen. > > Got the board without its OCXO but luckily my

[time-nuts] help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO

2021-12-23 Thread Wilko Bulte
hi, I am currently trying to revive a Trimble UCCM-LPS ex-telco GPSDO. The model is a 57963-D according to the PCB silkscreen. Got the board without its OCXO but luckily my stash of surplus I have discovered a Trimble OCXO labeled 72345-86. Given that that OCXO also has a label UCCM-LPS it