[time-nuts] Re: What time difference to expect from two clocks using internal GPS receivers?

2022-04-30 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you are looking at time ( = the absolute offset from GPS’s version of UTC) then there are a number of issues. The antenna you use will have a delay and it may well vary more than a bit. The cable to the antenna is in the same category. If both your modules run off a power splitter then

[time-nuts] Re: Microcontroller based frequency divider

2022-04-30 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Modern CPLDs often have an internal state machine that configures the chip on power up. Not all of these shutdown the internal state machine clock after configuration is complete. Crosstalk from the internal clock/oscillator will modulate the output of a divider. IIRC the Coolrunner II chips shu

[time-nuts] Re: Microcontroller based frequency divider

2022-04-30 Thread Tom Van Baak
Simon, You can probably use any microcontroller as a divider, including Atmel/AVR. Most modern processors have elaborate timer / counter / PWM / NCO features on-chip so you can avoid the archaic cycle counting technique used in all the PIC dividers [1]. Or you can use decade counter IC's or

[time-nuts] Re: Microcontroller based frequency divider

2022-04-30 Thread ghf
Am 2022-04-30 21:33, schrieb Clint Jay: I think the reason the PICDiv is so well regarded is because of the specific chips used and the way the timers etc. are implemented in them. So, an alternate chip outside of the Microchip PIC range just might not be capable of the performance. For me

[time-nuts] Re: Microcontroller based frequency divider

2022-04-30 Thread Simon Merrett
I know they were unavailable from one of my usual distributors when I checked last week. I also prefer surface mount parts and that narrows the availability somewhat but isn't a red line for me. I'm very open to the idea that the PIC12F was a one-off in terms of the timing performance. But I ha

[time-nuts] Re: What time difference to expect from two clocks using internal GPS receivers?

2022-04-30 Thread André Balsa
Hi Erik, Since each Chinese GPS receiver module has its own Xtal oscillator driving a very low power 32-bit processor usually at around 48MHz, and we can expect these oscillators to have a slightly different frequency, let's say the difference is 500ppm, then I would imagine there would be a corres

[time-nuts] Re: Microcontroller based frequency divider

2022-04-30 Thread Clint Jay
I think the reason the PICDiv is so well regarded is because of the specific chips used and the way the timers etc. are implemented in them. So, an alternate chip outside of the Microchip PIC range just might not be capable of the performance. Are they in short supply? On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 2

[time-nuts] Re: What time difference to expect from two clocks using internal GPS receivers?

2022-04-30 Thread Erik Kaashoek
Some more info The two GPS do keep their phase stable vs a Rb within +/-10 ns. But the absolute time difference of their PPS pulses was, after a cold start, stable within +/- 20ns but the average value could be up to 100ns and differed after every cold start. The two GPS antenna cables had a leng

[time-nuts] What time difference to expect from two clocks using internal GPS receivers?

2022-04-30 Thread Erik Kaashoek
The PPS jitter of a cheap Chinese GPS module was measured at about +/- 10 ns. But the phase of the PPS compared to a Rb varied substantial more. To verify if this was possibly due to ionospheric or atmospheric conditions the time difference between the PPS of two identical modules using two ide

[time-nuts] Microcontroller based frequency divider

2022-04-30 Thread Simon Merrett
Dear time nuts, I'm now on this list thanks to leapseconds.com where I went looking for the picDIV. A wonderful device. I have a project coming up where I plan to cut my time-teeth and think a picDIV will be just right for one of the stages. However, with components in short supply these days,