[time-nuts] Re: Is SC the most stable cut for lowest phase noise?

2022-06-09 Thread Bob kb8tq via time-nuts
Hi There happen to be *some* AT cut based OCXO’s that beat the typical SC cut on warmup … just saying …. :) Bob > On Jun 9, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Bruce Hunter via time-nuts > wrote: > > My only experience with SC-cut crystals is that time base oscillators in > later EIP/Phase-Matrix counters wit

[time-nuts] Re: Need help to DATUM Power Supply MPS (Type MFS Modular Frequency Systems)

2022-06-09 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
Yes, that transformer sure looks burned out. It's hard to tell how big it is from the pictures, but my impression is that it looks kind of skimpy to run a FRK Rb plus whatever else is going on like a GPS RX and uP system, and maybe battery charging too. You can easily estimate the VA rating by

[time-nuts] Re: Need help to DATUM Power Supply MPS (Type MFS Modular Frequency Systems)

2022-06-09 Thread Wilko Bulte via time-nuts
Quoting jung.schorndorf--- via time-nuts, who wrote on Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 04:26:08PM +0200 .. hello Helmut, > power supply unit for the GPS frequency standard > from DATUM (Type MFS Modular Frequency Systems), I visited your homepage and > registered on "time-nuts" mailing list. > . > May I as

[time-nuts] Re: Is SC the most stable cut for lowest phase noise?

2022-06-09 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist via time-nuts
On 6/9/2022 10:03 AM, Bruce Hunter via time-nuts wrote: My only experience with SC-cut crystals is that time base oscillators in later EIP/Phase-Matrix counters with SC-cut crystal oscillators seem to warm-up from a cold start and stabilize more quickly than earlier AT-cut versions.  I was s

[time-nuts] Re: Is SC the most stable cut for lowest phase noise?

2022-06-09 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist via time-nuts
Yet another interesting time nuts conversation. A few comments: 1 A number of comments stated as a "fact" that higher unloaded Q for the resonator corresponds to lower phase noise. This idea evidentially comes from looking at analysis of a so-called free running oscillator with a simple LC ta

[time-nuts] Re: Need help to DATUM Power Supply MPS (Type MFS Modular Frequency Systems)

2022-06-09 Thread paul swed via time-nuts
Helmut. Welcome to time-nuts. Your pictures are very helpful. May I suggest the easiest possible answer? Simply supply 24 volts to the back connector. Guessing 4 amps. If the system works you just have the AC supply to figure out. Figuring out the AC supply seems reasonable as it appears from the p

[time-nuts] Is SC the most stable cut for lowest phase noise?

2022-06-09 Thread Bruce Hunter via time-nuts
My only experience with SC-cut crystals is that time base oscillators in later EIP/Phase-Matrix counters with SC-cut crystal oscillators seem to warm-up from a cold start and stabilize more quickly than earlier AT-cut versions.  I was surprised to see from Jeff Cartwright's paper that SC-cut cry

[time-nuts] Re: Is SC the most stable cut for lowest phase noise?

2022-06-09 Thread Magnus Danielson via time-nuts
Hi, The ability to stabilize at that temperature is indeed an issue. While the resonators Q shift, the loaded Q I would not expect to shift as much. Futher, the noise of the supporting amplifier also needs to be reduced. Naturally, the design could be adjusted to the different condition. I'v