[time-nuts] Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik, Kaashoek)

2022-07-11 Thread Bob kb8tq via time-nuts
Hi There are a very small number of signal generators that *might* help when measuring phase noise on a good source. The “rest of them” are very much in the “don’t bother” category. Just which one is in the “maybe” category depends a lot on your frequency of interest. None of them seem to be

[time-nuts] Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik, Kaashoek)

2022-07-11 Thread Alex Pummer via time-nuts
yes there are much better signal generators out there, that frequency doubler tuning circuit is for religious people only -- you need to be able to believe, that it could work 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 7/11/2022 12:24 PM, Dave B via time-nuts wrote: On 11/07/2022 08:30,

[time-nuts] Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik Kaashoek)

2022-07-11 Thread Bob kb8tq via time-nuts
Hi Regardless of what you call the “ 1 Hz normalized noise “ of a digital phase detector, it does predict what the noise floor does on it as the reference frequency is changed over some reasonable range. This has been demonstrated a lot of times and on a lot of different parts. Based on a

[time-nuts] DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik Kaashoek)

2022-07-11 Thread Mike Monett via time-nuts
Anyone in Canada planning on buying the HMC984LP4E from Digi-Key, they state: Last Time Buy Date: 7/31/2022 They had 42 in stock before I ordered. I bought 5, which gives free shipping(FedEx). Mike ___ time-nuts mailing list --

[time-nuts] Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik, Kaashoek)

2022-07-11 Thread Dave B via time-nuts
On 11/07/2022 08:30, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote: I also measured a Marconi 2022 signal generator and it was possible to lock but the phase noise was terrible with strong factional PLL spurs. Indeed, those signal generators are renown for having "some rather interesting" spectral

[time-nuts] DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik Kaashoek)

2022-07-11 Thread Mike Monett via time-nuts
to Magnus: I was not saying anything about measuring noise. I only stated that a DBM has a square wave output at twice the signal frequency. If you are measurng OCXO noise, you might be interested in a method I just described to Bob. Thanks, Mike ___

[time-nuts] DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik Kaashoek)

2022-07-11 Thread Mike Monett via time-nuts
To Bob kb8tq Figure Of Merit sounds like a useless number. I have a different approach that yields immediate and useful results. Before I explain my method, let me introduce myself. In 1970, I invented, and Memorex patented, the original zero-deadband phase-frequency

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Bob kb8tq via time-nuts
Hi These days there are folks who make a living tracking down interference sources in the vicinity of ports and airports on a contract basis. Many of the issues are navigation related. Some of it is GPS. Some is other stuff ( like 5 GHz WiFI and radar …) Bob > On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:28 PM,

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Hal Murray via time-nuts
Andy Talbot said: > I also heard a case of a GPS antenna going unstable, oscillating and taking > out most of the boats in a marina. The Radio Communications Agency (as our > enforcement body was then, before it became Ofcom) had to be called out to > identify the problem. There was an

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Brian Lloyd via time-nuts
On 7/11/22 12:48, jeanmichel.friedt--- via time-nuts wrote: for what it's worth ... the UK gov. is nice enough to warn about GPS jamming exercises https://www.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/information/gps-jamming-exercises not sure about the US of A announcements on such activities. At least in France

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Oz-in-DFW via time-nuts
On 7/11/2022 8:43 AM, Andy Talbot via time-nuts wrote: I also heard a case of a GPS antenna going unstable, oscillating and taking out most of the boats in a marina. There have also been several cases of cheap active TV antennas doing the same thing. There was a case 10 or more years ago that

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread JC via time-nuts
Google 'GPS testing notices' On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 1:15 PM jeanmichel.friedt--- via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > for what it's worth ... the UK gov. is nice enough to warn about GPS > jamming > exercises > https://www.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/information/gps-jamming-exercises >

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread jeanmichel.friedt--- via time-nuts
for what it's worth ... the UK gov. is nice enough to warn about GPS jamming exercises https://www.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/information/gps-jamming-exercises not sure about the US of A announcements on such activities. At least in France I have never seen such warnings. Best, JM -- JM Friedt,

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Bob kb8tq via time-nuts
Hi Are all the receivers the same type / model? If so what are they? Various receivers made over the last 20 years have some “issues” that can pop up. Is the antenna gain properly matched to the needs of the receiver? Some are designed for a “target gain” of 20 db, others 30, some 50. Match a

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Carsten Andrich via time-nuts
The u-blox SAW filtering is great. We've carried out various RF measurements with +40 dBm EIRP at 2.53 and 3.75 GHz with some u-blox ANN-MB within <2m of the Tx antennas. While we haven't conducted in-depth comparisons with a superior ground-truth, my current conclusion is that the u-blox RTK

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread David G. McGaw via time-nuts
With the new 5G hardware, we are seeing all manner of new interference, some of it quite broad-band.  A good antenna with sharp SAW filter may help, but not if the emmisions are in-band. Besides broad-band, there also can be 2nd harmonic emissions that cause interference.  We had this problem

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Andy Talbot via time-nuts
There is a 3G/4G Supplementary Downlink allocation at 1492MHz in some countries. Close enough to cause problems. Andy www.g4jnt.com On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 14:40, paul swed via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Skipp > I am aware at least in the US that there is the possibility

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Andy Talbot via time-nuts
I have had one, and possibly two, low cost active antennas go unstable and start oscillating. These are the magnetic car mount type with a ceramic patch antenna. The ceramic patch has quite a high Q and determines the frequency the unstable RF front end takes off at - which is obviously at

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread paul swed via time-nuts
Skipp I am aware at least in the US that there is the possibility of 5G interference along with newer possible bands that 5G can use. I have read several articles in a publication called GNSS. Thats why I am using wwvb at 60 KHz. Humor intended. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 8:49

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 7/10/22 4:19 PM, skipp Isaham via time-nuts wrote: Hello to the Group, I'd like to get some opinions and war stories regarding GPS reliability at high RF level and elevation locations. Background: Three different hill-top GPS receivers, all different types, using different antennas mounted

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Chris Caudle via time-nuts
On Sun, July 10, 2022 6:19 pm, skipp Isaham via time-nuts wrote: > Background: Three different hill-top GPS receivers, all different types, > using > different antennas mounted on an outside fixiture, plain view of the open > sky, > all stopped working. > > Test antennas were brought in and

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread John Ackermann via time-nuts
Hi Skipp -- there is a lot of info about interference mitigation in the u-blox integration manual for the ZED--F9T (available under the docs at https://www.u-blox.com/en/product/zed-f9t-module).  It might give you some clues, and I think might also point to another u-blox app note on the topic.

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Tom Holmes via time-nuts
Hey Skipp! A couple of thoughts… Why do you need an amplified antenna in a high and open spot, unless the coax run is longer than about 40’? Is it practical to move one of the existing antennas away from the current location as a test to see if it’s a failure vs overload? Assuming it is

[time-nuts] Function of LEDs on E1938 board?

2022-07-11 Thread Dan Rae via time-nuts
Can anyone tell me what the group of four LEDs in one corner of the E1938 board indicate?  There is no indication of function on the schematic. Thanks for any enlightenment! Dan ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe

[time-nuts] GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread skipp Isaham via time-nuts
Hello to the Group, I'd like to get some opinions and war stories regarding GPS reliability at high RF level and elevation locations. Background: Three different hill-top GPS receivers, all different types, using different antennas mounted on an outside fixiture, plain view of the open sky,