[time-nuts] Re: GPSDO Control loop autotuning

2022-04-21 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Kalman filters are optimal only if they work with statistical processes that can be described with derivatives or integrals, i.e. white phase noise (f^0), white FM (f^-2), random walk FM (f^-4) and so on. Most of VCOs are heavily flicker FM dominated Il giorno gio 21 apr 2022 alle ore 19:09 Erik K

[time-nuts] Re: Phase coherence with 2x GPSDO

2022-03-09 Thread Mattia Rizzi
-time. There is also a gyro with a Kalman filter running on a > real-time operating system which is supposed to reduce the effect of > vibrations. It does not eliminate that effect entirely but it does mitigate > it by a factor of 10. > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 2:11 PM Mattia Rizzi

[time-nuts] Re: Phase coherence with 2x GPSDO

2022-03-07 Thread Mattia Rizzi
can't see how it could > possibly "know" its own frequency error/uncertainty. What would it > reference to? I'll try asking the manufacturer anyway. > > Regards, > Krishna > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:46 AM Mattia Rizzi > wrote: > > > Hello Kris

[time-nuts] Re: Phase coherence with 2x GPSDO

2022-03-07 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Hello Krishna, what is your end application? How far away are those boards? If each SDR can communicate to each other, you can run PTP over an ad-hoc Layer 1. I was able to get timestamps out of a 2.4 GHz chirp-based protocol with less than 0.5ns RMS noise and two-way ranging error down to 10-20 ce

[time-nuts] Re: High precision OCXO supplier for end costomers

2022-01-10 Thread Mattia Rizzi
You can have a look at morion.com.ru They sell small quantities, no trade license. I think the only product that can meet the -120 dBc at 1 Hz (10 MHz carrier) is the MV336, which is expensive Il giorno lun 10 gen 2022 alle ore 10:03 Norman Reitz via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> ha scritt

[time-nuts] AM/PM conversion on mixer, DMTD

2021-02-09 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Hello! I just started a new job with a project involving laser synchronization. The idea of my colleague is to use basically DMTD as a phase detector (RF 3 GHz, IF=10..20MHz), and then digitize the IF with ADCs. He is very worried about AM/PM conversion (he's looking for something like 0.1degree/dB

Re: [time-nuts] Noise of digital frequency circuits (was: Programmable clock for BFO use....noise)

2018-09-20 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Hi Attila, everyone, very interesting discussion! >People talk of aliasing and sampling, but do not describe where the sampling happens in the first place. After all, it's a time-continuous system and as such, there is no sampling. I would say that the sampling occurs when you're using only a sli

[time-nuts] White Rabbit time distribution performance

2018-07-02 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Hello! I published a paper on WR time distribution performance that you might consider interesting. It's available at IEEExplorer: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8400550/ Abstract: This article investigates the ultimate limits of White Rabbit (WR), an high-accuracy time distribution system b