[time-nuts] Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik, Kaashoek)

2022-07-12 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
Erik, I'd really recommend that you use a real, "solid" ground reference on the instrumentation side, with +/- large (12-20 V) supplies, as others have suggested. Your most recent setup diagram indicates that you're relying on the "differential" input of the audio PC card etc analyzer to allow

[time-nuts] Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik, Kaashoek)

2022-07-12 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
I forgot to mention that you should also consider possible effects from the RF present, on the LNA. This can be more significant than SMPS frequencies getting where they don't belong, especially since the RF is intentionally right at the opamp's input. Your LPF only reduces, and does not elimin

[time-nuts] What about the frequency discrimination method? (offshoot from DIY PN analyzer)

2022-07-10 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
Hi Magnus, I know what you mean about not needing a quadrature splitter - if you have a very wide phase or delay tuning range - but I'm picturing getting most of the way to quadrature with a fixed structure for a given frequency, and only fine-tuning the phase over a narrow range, in order to

[time-nuts] What about the frequency discrimination method? (offshoot from DIY PN analyzer)

2022-07-09 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
I've been following the thread about Erik's DIY PN analyzer, and wondering if it might be easy enough to use a frequency discrimination method. I'm opening this in a different thread to avoid muddying the water on the original (and long) one. What I'm picturing is putting the DUT's output into

[time-nuts] Isolation amp transistors

2022-07-07 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
Thanks Gerhard, for putting up the schematic. After a quick look, I'd recommend trying the following changes. Of course, I don't know the fine details, so this is just from a general circuit perspective - could be all wrong versus the actual situation. 1. Delete the Q7 circuitry including R10

[time-nuts] Isolation amp transistors

2022-07-07 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
All good comments about the isolation issues, but remember we're talking about a desired 200 MHz amplifier system here, not a 10 MHz one, so RF transistors are appropriate. This is a little different from the original DIY PN test discussion, which is why I replied in a different thread title.

[time-nuts] Isolation amp transistors

2022-07-06 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
Gerhard wrote: "I have made a new isolation amplifier but I'm absolutely not happy with the available transistors. Anything in sot-89 is either to slow ( Zetex/Diodes Inc, the 2N3904-alikes) or is much too hot. I want at least 200 MHz to have no phase shift at 100. BFQ19s gave me 1 GHz of BW. The

[time-nuts] Re: Should a double oven XO be thermally isolated or just draft protected?

2022-07-05 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
This may give some idea of how fast things can happen when the OCXO is subject to drafts. I have this dual GPSDO box that usually is open for experimenting, and have a setup comparing one of the 10 MHz outs to my portable Rb reference. The 10 GHz multiplied output from the Rb is indicated on a

[time-nuts] Re: Noise down-converter project

2022-06-16 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
After more experimenting and measuring, I think the RF is done enough. I found that the main 20 MHz and the 300 MHz LPFs were letting a lot of HF above 1200 MHz straight through. I believe the choke I used in the 300 MHz LPF has a self-resonance in that range - it's a wire coil molded in plasti

[time-nuts] Re: Need help to DATUM Power Supply MPS (Type MFS Modular Frequency Systems)

2022-06-09 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
Yes, that transformer sure looks burned out. It's hard to tell how big it is from the pictures, but my impression is that it looks kind of skimpy to run a FRK Rb plus whatever else is going on like a GPS RX and uP system, and maybe battery charging too. You can easily estimate the VA rating by

[time-nuts] Re: Noise down-converter project

2022-06-07 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
Continuing with experiments and spur measurements, I found that closing the lid on the little filter box does seem to reduce the LPF's effectiveness at the higher frequencies, but leaving it open reduces effectiveness at the lower. I can sculpt it to a taller structure if necessary, which would

[time-nuts] Re: Noise down-converter project

2022-06-03 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
I've been working on final design cleanup, mainly in the RF. I found quite a bit of spurious LO harmonic content up to almost 2 GHz, with some quite strong (-75 dBm). It was time to clean up the experimental wiring layout, so I simplified the cabling and consolidated the RF stuff onto the LPF b

[time-nuts] Re: Noise down-converter project

2022-05-27 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
Now that I have the "official" filter in place, I can wrap up the LF/DC issues. This is the other extreme, so no SA here, just time domain view with a Tek 7A22 vertical, which gets down to 10 uV/div, and has settable BW steps from 100 Hz to 1 MHz. For very low f and DC, I use a HP3456A. There a

[time-nuts] Re: Noise down-converter project

2022-05-25 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
Thanks Mike, for info on LCR alternatives. It's good to know of others out there, if needed. I have an HP4276A and HP4271A. The 4276A is the main workhorse for all part checking, since it has a wide range of LCZ, although limited frequency coverage (100 Hz - 20 kHz). The 4271A is 1 MHz only, an

[time-nuts] Re: Noise down-converter project

2022-05-23 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
I managed to build a filter, using the values for a 9th order Butterworth, 50 ohms, 25 MHz fc. The caps were fairly straightforward to get nearly right on in values, with one or two (paralleled) selected micas for each spot. The chokes were tricky. I decided to use IF-can style adjustable ones,

[time-nuts] Re: Noise down-converter project

2022-05-18 Thread ed breya via time-nuts
Thanks all, for filter info. For reasons that will become evident when I describe the LF/DC situation, I plan to use an all-passive LC LPF. I assume I'll be needing a fairly high-order (like 9 or so) Butterworth type response for good flatness, and enough stop-band rejection for the higher freq